I see nothing about keeping religion seperate from things run by the government. All i see is that the government can not force people into a specific religion.

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Congratulations, you reinvented the wheel.

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XL7 wuz here.

and your point is......

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Sooo what you're saying is, this is the first time you've read the Constitution?

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You know the first thread about this was close for a reason.

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XL7 wuz here.

And tomorrow class, we'll be reading the second amendment.

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1. Doesn't matter. Just because it's not there doesn't mean it shouldn't be. If we restrict ourselves to ideals that are already written then we become slaves of the past.
2. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

We can define respect as American Heritage Dictionary (4th edition) does: "To relate or refer to; concern." If government makes law based on religious influence, then it is making a law that relates and refers to an establishment of religion.

3. It takes away religious freedom when government allows a specific church mixed in state, although not directly enough for you to see it. If they can force the words "under God" onto Atheists then they are making law that certainly infringes on basic rights.

Summary: Thanks for the info, not.

[This message has been edited by Jedi Legend (edited April 03, 2004).]

Aw don't start that **** its too late and your gonna kill my buzz.

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XL7 wuz here.

It's not my fault you didn't conserve your crack. Don't smoke it all in one sitting, I say.

Now that you've discovered literacy you should have no problem associating the following court cases and concepts.

1. Marbury v. Madison
2. Judicial review
3. Lemon v. Kurtzman

[This message has been edited by Ictus (edited April 03, 2004).]

And the second ammendment gives you no right to own a gun, what is your point?

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But my arms are bare right now. Booyeah!

It also says, "Congress shall make no law...", but it's routinely applied to all levels of government. An answer to this mystery can be found in Article III.

Where in my post did I say ANYTHING[/i] about arms? I said GUNS, not BARE ARMS[/i].

Next time you try to crack a joke, be sure to read what you are cracking at.

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XL7 wuz here.

Are you serious or joking? Either way that's really impressive how you fail to see how the second amendment giving you the right to bare arms but not guns is relevant. Besides, that was not a joke. My arms are bare.

Oh and would you people stop referencing crack? Seriously, it's bad.

[This message has been edited by Jedi Legend (edited April 03, 2004).]

1.) Then amend the constitution.

2.) I guess murder should be legal since that's one of the ten commandments

3.) That's the only point I could see even being argued.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

Now you are just being ridiculous. Most people regardless of religion can agree that murder is wrong. So what if it happens to coincide with the Ten Commandments? Besides, morals aside, I believe murder would qualify as an infringement on others’ rights anyway.

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It doesn't need to be amended because it's already implied that church-state separation exists in the first amendment.



Are you suggesting that the Ten Commandments had bearing on the writing of the Constitution or Bill of Rights?


-Fox

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Yay! Another silly topic that will start another flame-war!!!

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XL7 wuz here.

This thread is hijacked.

Post what do you have in your clipboard:

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XL7 wuz here.

but if religion doesnt have to be kept separate from government (like the first amendment says), then which religion would we pick? hmm? christianity? coz therse more of them? well what about jewish americans. what if the laws made by christian religion interference does not agree with the hundreds of other religions and cultures in america? oh my..is that called forcing a specific religion on people? yes yes it is


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XL7 wuz here.

Where do you think the founding fathers' morals came from? Our laws reflect what society thinks is wrong and that originally came from relgion

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

I believe it's the other way around.
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[This message has been edited by BobTheMasher (edited April 04, 2004).]

This whole thread lost its point before we clicked to open it.

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Cite one passage in the US Constitution that makes a relevant reference to the Christian god. One. And most of the founding fathers weren't Christian, anyway. Several were deists, actually, including George Washington.

The Constitution of the United States was written to be a secular document. Accept it.


-Fox

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look at my profile, I am Australian. That is why I transcripted(is that the word I am after) the amendment. I was showing that many of you do not know the exact nature of seperation of church and state and the government takes advantage of that.

I do not trust the media as centerlink(the organisation that manages payments like carer's allowence) is always being targeted by the media's lie's. One recent example is an elderly couple taking care of a grandchild whose parents were killed that supposedly are only getting $36 a month. there is no way that is true as they would be getting 36 dollars a fortnight as a bare minimum through orpen's allowence. That is without any other payment. If they are getting very little government support, it is because they make enough money on their own or they are not claiming money that they are entitled to.

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That is why there is agnostism(sp?). It is for those who belive there is some higher power but belive it is a power beond our understanding. Most people keep with the religion they were brought up with.

Also, most people can understand that if their religion conflicts with the law, they can still practices their religion. Take the old testiment(sp?) into consideration. How many things in there that are permited would be called a hate crime(In the U.S. at least) today?

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[This message has been edited by alpha1 (edited April 04, 2004).]

Alpha, the exact nature of our Constitutionally-mandated seperation of church and state is determined by the original text and over two hundred years of judicial interpretation. You don't get to make up your own meaning to match the words, no matter how obvious it seems to you. The US Constitution means what the judicial branch has interpreted it to mean.

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I seem to recall on that thread about that Dutch bestiality incident, that it was mentioned that a lot of laws such as ones against that had been repealed or whatever because of their religious nature, and people wanted a more secular legislature. [in response to the let's make murder legal thing]

But regardless..


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