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4/5/94 R.I.P.Kurt Cobain
2004-04-05, 3:43 PM #1
Today marks the 10th anniversery of Kurt's death, let us all today remember Kurt and his huge contribution to music, and may his music and legacy live on forever.

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2004-04-05, 3:45 PM #2
Nirvana is overrated, as is Cobain. Sure they have some good songs, but not worth the praise they get. I think they're only popular to this day because Cobain killed himself. I also don't see why we should remember someone whose life wasn't even as important to them.

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2004-04-05, 3:47 PM #3
Good song writer, but not all that... Produced some great songs and some medeiocre songs as well.

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2004-04-05, 4:07 PM #4
Regardless, Nirvana changed the face of rock music after a decade with less than spectacular bands (generally speaking).

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2004-04-05, 4:12 PM #5
How about instead of starting up debates on why Nirvana is over rated, you try to respect him?

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2004-04-05, 4:17 PM #6
There is still so much contraversy over if it really was a suicide or not. people day you can hold a gun that way blah blah. Nirvana IMO was great, and Kurt is missed.

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2004-04-05, 4:17 PM #7
I do, he had some good songs like I said though he's still over rated.

As it happens I'm listening to Sliver right now... coincidence.

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2004-04-05, 4:18 PM #8
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MBeggar:
How about instead of starting up debates on why Nirvana is over rated, you try to respect him?

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Can you respect someone who blew their own head off with a shotgun?


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2004-04-05, 4:19 PM #9
You can still respect a person for there accomplishments. Hemingway blew his had off too.

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2004-04-05, 4:22 PM #10
Ugh, don't get me started on Hemingway.

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2004-04-05, 4:25 PM #11
I just asked nicely if you wouldn't bring up things like that. Just stop antagonizing things.

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2004-04-05, 4:29 PM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Avenger:
Regardless, Nirvana changed the face of rock music after a decade with less than spectacular bands (generally speaking).

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2004-04-05, 5:08 PM #13
Nirvana and Curt are huge in music history. HUGE! Whether you like them or not. They are huge. And definately not over rated.

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2004-04-05, 5:19 PM #14
Now that I've grown older/wiser I no longer have a need for teenage angst music, but at one time (for many years) I was a huge Nirvana fan. They definitely changed the face of music but many people would argue that it was for the worst. I can barely tolerate rock these days. I'm sorry the guy killed himself but the lyrics only make sense when each line is taken out of context (similar to rap music), and his voice is just plain horrible.

That being said, there's a time and a place for everything, and unfortunately there's a place for self-defeating music in the self-defeating attitudes of todays youth.

I have spoken and it is written.

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2004-04-05, 5:36 PM #15
I'm 35 and I need teenage angst music.

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2004-04-05, 5:44 PM #16
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:

Can you respect someone who blew their own head off with a shotgun?</font>


Kurt Cobain
Vincent Van Gough
Michael Hutchence
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I'm not gonna force you to respect them, but you gotta respect what they produced.

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2004-04-05, 6:29 PM #17
People will respect to something as they wish. Nirvana had some cool songs, but in my belief; no, they did not CHANGE rock. They helped give it an oomph here or there, but that's about it. There are so many point/counter-points here, but I'm not going to help a debate, so...

Yes, he will be missed, I would've liked to hear other songs by him...

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2004-04-05, 6:49 PM #18
Lightside is right, they didn't actually change anything. Maybe started a new sub genre, maybe changed some subgenres, but didn't change rock itself. If it did, virtually every rock band and song after Nirvana would have been changed. That's what I think of when someone says the whole thing was changed.

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2004-04-05, 6:53 PM #19
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
Nirvana is overrated, as is Cobain. Sure they have some good songs, but not worth the praise they get.</font>


I agree to this part.

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2004-04-05, 7:39 PM #20
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Emon:
Lightside is right, they didn't actually change anything. Maybe started a new sub genre, maybe changed some subgenres, but didn't change rock itself. If it did, virtually every rock band and song after Nirvana would have been changed. That's what I think of when someone says the whole thing was changed.</font>


I think you'd be surprised at just how influential Nirvana were. It wasnt just the music, it was the whole grunge image.

Also, they paved the way for bands like Pearl Jam and Offspring, who went on to become 2 of the biggest selling artists of the 90s. Before Nirvana the charts were dominated by manufactured 80s pop; Kylie Minogue, Bon Jovi, New Kids On the Block etc., without Nirvana it's unlikely the new wave of rock bands (including 'punk' bands like Green Day and Blink 182) would have been given the pubicity and attention from major record labels that they were given. Nirvana were the ones who broke through.

They didnt change the world, no, but they did change rock.

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2004-04-05, 7:41 PM #21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
Nirvana is overrated, as is Cobain. Sure they have some good songs, but not worth the praise they get. I think they're only popular to this day because Cobain killed himself. I also don't see why we should remember someone whose life wasn't even as important to them.

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2004-04-05, 7:47 PM #22
Eh, Nirvana didn't really pave the way for Pearl Jam, both arrived around the same time. Collectively they started the whole <3 SEATTLE bit really.

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2004-04-05, 7:55 PM #23
As someone who never has been into the grunge rock thing... I have as much respect for Kurt Cobain and Nirvana as I do for any other musical group. I respect the talent, but I'm not really a big fan of either. Kurt Cobain zealotry annoys the crap out of me.
2004-04-05, 11:45 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I think they're only popular to this day because Cobain killed himself.</font>
Yeah, were you into music 10 years ago? They were extremely popular before he died, it's not like nobody heard of him till after his death.

Frankly, I like their music, and I hate it when people commit suicide. However, I'm still not convinced it was suicide.

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2004-04-05, 11:58 PM #25
Their "change" to rock music was a change I'd rather not have seen.
2004-04-06, 1:43 AM #26
Cobain was one of MTV's greatest voices in music...HA..AHA..HAHAHAHAHH

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2004-04-06, 2:28 AM #27
Grunge is what happens when you drop your guitar in a puddle on the way to a gig, but decide to play on anyway.

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2004-04-06, 2:30 AM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spork:
Also, they paved the way for bands like Pearl Jam and Offspring, who went on to become 2 of the biggest selling artists of the 90s. Before Nirvana the charts were dominated by manufactured 80s pop; Kylie Minogue, Bon Jovi, New Kids On the Block etc</font>


Bon Jovi is NOT just pop, they're essentially pop-metal (like a lot of the european bands like Europe and Van Halen). They're also significantly better than Nirvana ( [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]).
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2004-04-06, 6:35 AM #29
^^ Yes ^^

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2004-04-06, 7:05 AM #30
What the hell? Curt DID NOT kill himself!!

His ****** *** *** *** hoe of a girlfriend had him killed.
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2004-04-06, 8:56 AM #31
Hello, ruthervain.

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2004-04-06, 9:26 AM #32
[edit] suicidal guy who wrote songs, none of them would break my list of 1,000 greatest songs.

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2004-04-06, 10:10 AM #33
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by clan ruthervain:
His ****** *** *** *** hoe of a girlfriend had him killed.</font>

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
I think they're only popular to this day because Cobain killed himself.</font>

Probably not true. Their music isn't bad (at least I don't think so) -- not the BEST in the world -- but is still good...And I didn't know Kurt was dead (or used heroin) until 2 years ago, during Health class (we watched a video on drug use). Others are probably in the same boat.

R.I.P. Kurt Cobain.

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2004-04-06, 10:12 AM #34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
Nirvana is overrated, as is Cobain. Sure they have some good songs, but not worth the praise they get. I think they're only popular to this day because Cobain killed himself. I also don't see why we should remember someone whose life wasn't even as important to them.

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good job pumpkin! you have official turned someones memorial-ish type thing into your opinion. this does not, nor did it ever ask for your opinion. its not one of those threads where youc an get away with saying 'well its my opinion and thats what message boards are for' either. you wouldnt do this about MaDa. you shouldnt about anyone else who passes away. death is not a time for you to flaunt your critiques. honestly how would you feel if someone remembers your death ten years from now and im like 'oh that guy..yeah he was kind of annoying on the forums'


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2004-04-06, 11:02 AM #35
Heh. I was five years and 360 days old when it happened. Nirvana had reasonably good music, but one of my schools RS books mention him in a part about euthanasia.

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2004-04-06, 11:11 AM #36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolvie17:
good job pumpkin! you have official turned someones memorial-ish type thing into your opinion. this does not, nor did it ever ask for your opinion. its not one of those threads where youc an get away with saying 'well its my opinion and thats what message boards are for' either. you wouldnt do this about MaDa. you shouldnt about anyone else who passes away. death is not a time for you to flaunt your critiques. honestly how would you feel if someone remembers your death ten years from now and im like 'oh that guy..yeah he was kind of annoying on the forums'


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<3 Wolvie. And I think Nirvana's only UNPOPULAR because Cobain killed himself. "Oh he killed himself, why should we respect him." So did Hendrix, in essence, yet he still had a MAJOR impact on rock, and only today are we really seeing it. It may take just as long to figure out Cobain's impact--who knows.

Lyrics to think on. Read them real quick--and listen to the song if you can get ahold of it. Catch 22, Streetlight Manifesto, and Bandits of the Acoustic Revolution (Same band, different subgenres) all sing it.

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2004-04-06, 11:16 AM #37
get over it. haha *hides*

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2004-04-06, 11:34 AM #38
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolvie17:

good job pumpkin! you have official turned someones memorial-ish type thing into your opinion. this does not, nor did it ever ask for your opinion. its not one of those threads where youc an get away with saying 'well its my opinion and thats what message boards are for' either. you wouldnt do this about MaDa. you shouldnt about anyone else who passes away. death is not a time for you to flaunt your critiques. honestly how would you feel if someone remembers your death ten years from now and im like 'oh that guy..yeah he was kind of annoying on the forums'


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Thank you, Honey Bunny! No, my opinion was not asked for, but a similar post should have been expected, you post on a public forum and you will get different viewpoints. Also, I wouldn't say that about MaDa because he didn't kill himself. Considering Kurt has been dead for 10 years I don't think there's anything wrong with my voicing my views; maybe if it were on the day he died I might see some wrong in it. Kurt Cobain was selfish for taking his life, and does not need to be respected or remembered for his cowardly act.

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2004-04-06, 11:54 AM #39
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Wolvie17:

good job pumpkin! you have official turned someones memorial-ish type thing into your opinion. this does not, nor did it ever ask for your opinion. its not one of those threads where youc an get away with saying 'well its my opinion and thats what message boards are for' either. you wouldnt do this about MaDa. you shouldnt about anyone else who passes away. death is not a time for you to flaunt your critiques. honestly how would you feel if someone remembers your death ten years from now and im like 'oh that guy..yeah he was kind of annoying on the forums'

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Kurt Cobain took his own life. MaDa's was taken from him. Putting them into an analogy together doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Just because a person is dead, does not mean we have to raise our hands and clap as we sing about how great he was. And it does not mean we have to say, "Wow. What a great guy. I'm not going to say anything negative about him because he's dead." If someone remembers you negatively after you're gone, it's probably your fault.

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2004-04-06, 11:59 AM #40
Well put, SG1.

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