OMG MY VOTE HAS BEEN SWAYED!!!111

Bush is lying, Kerry is lying, the government lies. Does it really matter? Whatever the outcome, you all will be nothing but corporate puppets being kicked down table scraps aka. your salary.

"Freedom Fries" anyone?

150 years from now the US will be a pawn for someone else. probably the chinese. i wish i could be around to see that.

I don't like John Kerry at all; I think that if either of them gets elected nothing really good will happen. I think we should try something called "learning from our mistakes". We've had Bush for four years, look around at what’s going on, if anyone here says that America is in a better state then it was before Bush was elected, their lying. I don't think Bush is a bad guy, or an "Idiot". I just think he is a crappy president. Likewise for Kerry.

So even Kerry doesn't do a whole lot better, at least it’s a change. That's just my mind set.

What litte respect I had for some people here is rapidly dwindling to the point of non existance, unfortunately.

My whole family is voting for Kerry. And we're smack dab in the middle of North Carolina. Needless to say, it gets ugly down here.

Even if I did believe Bush was a better candidate, I would still pull for Kerry, just because 90% of the Republicans here are pure jerks when it comes to politics. It's me and a few other of my friends pulling for Kerry, and when people heard that, boy did they have a field day.

We've been insulted, cursed at, and spit on more than you can imagine. "Unamerican" and "Communist" is what I'm called all the time now. And don't forget "gay". Even my best friends are calling me gay. I keep on hearing "Well sense you pull for Kerry and Edwards, and they support gays and their 'rights', and most likely ARE really gay, that makes you gay, doesn't it?" No, you moron, I'm not gay, and if a gay is an American, than yes, I believe that he should have rights. It's a concept a lot of my classmates have trouble grasping. American=rights

Some girls in my US History class even SAID that they thought that Clinton and Kerry was gay with each other. They said that they had to be, they were Democrats.

Heck, it may just be my community, but its the Republicians who are hard headed and stubborn. I don't have much respect for someone who believes what they believe and refuse to even look at the other side of the issue.

It's just your community. Both sides field many ignorant people.

That is... without doubt... the dumbest thing I have EVER heard anyone say.

Glad to hear your opinion. I know the truth hurts but you'll be okay.

Hey. It's politics. Your side does exactly the same damn thing. Namecalling and all.

QFT.

Indeed.

Rats are superior to human beings, because they naturally and actively avoid painful stimuli, for example electrical shocks. Even though humans possess two ways of learning, through conditioning and through conscious memory, we apparently lost that ability and even enjoy chasing and elongating those painful stimuli. I really hope you'll be more like rats when you go voting, although I somewhat doubt it.

Also funny to note is that in the classical experiments, rats learn to avoid pain by pushing a certain button... :/

Regan... come back...

Ruthven, you want UK to have an influence in US elections?

I'm sure you know that's the reason why the Iraqis (at least the extremists) hate us right? Because we're trying to influence their government (even though it is for the better).

Sorry, but that's what it seems like you're saying -- you seem to want to pull an America on America.

In any case, the President is the US's representative to the world. He represents what we (a lot of us anyway) stand for and believe. He does not stand for what England belives. That's what Parliament's for.



But back to reality -- Bush and Kerry are both idiots who need to be shot (again). If these people are the best candidates the US has to offer, that's, well, pretty sad.

Oh I'm so truly humbled. I've been judged by the omnicient.

What does QFT mean?

Quoted
For
Truth. I actually forgot what it meant and had to dictionary.com it.

Editted to make it obvious enough for everyone. pfft, and they call me stupid!

That was confusing :/ I thought you quoted me for truth, which is new to me, and then I spent one full minute thinking why. It's like you messed with my brain or something.

^^^ That's what I thought too. I went and looked it up and saw "quoted for truth" as the definition. THen it made sense.

:p

I seem to remember you as the one I like to argue with. Quick, insult me.

Ooh, yeah, that's how I like it!

Hey dude, I wasn't insulting you. Really man, you mess with people's minds, something I'm not capable of... you'd kick my *** anyday. And you have a 6 in your name! Only the coolest guys have a 6 in their name... wookie, I can't compete. You win man! I can't insult the Double-U to the O-O-K-I-E!

...

Look, there are reasons why we have things such as "citizenship" and you not voting would be one of them.

Don't hold back man... maybe post an anger smiley with it, to really really get the message across. Hell, post two!

I'm going to reply to that with your own statement.



Everytime someone brings up the economy as an issue against Bush, I ask for some sort of explanation how Bush made the economy worse and I have yet to get any kind of answer, AT ALL. The economy is not in horrible shape right now. Look at it compared to the weeks and months after 9/11 and you'll see that the economy has been recovering for sometime.

Furthermore, the surfing analogy is bull**** for two reason. One, the US was is a recession when Bush was elected. You remember the tech bust, don't you? That had nothing to do with the President (Clinton or Bush). And then, of course, there was 9/11, and event that really screwed the economy. Again, the president had no control over that either.

Finally, if someone would actually answer this, what can the president do to improve the economy? What presidential power does he actually have to affect the economy? I know the answer to this question, but I'm really interested to see if you have a clue as to what can be done. Also, do you even know who drives the economy? If you did, you wouldn't be making uninformed statements about the state of the economy and who's fault it is.

Your fellow schoolmates have the mentality of five-year-olds. Marvelous. The future of our country, ladies and gentlemen. Kill them all before they can do any more damage.

I just figured I would warn you that someone will bring up 9/11 as something that could have been prevented, thus keeping the economy stable. If it was possible to prevent, that is unknown. Whether it's Bush's fault or the fault of us as citizens/the airport's that didn't have the proper security. It's up for debate.

THRU THE POWERS OF SATAN I SUMMON THEE REGAN! FOR THOU SHALL LEAD THE UNITED STATES TO NEW AGE! THRU THE POWER OF THE BLACK ARTS I CALL UPON THEE! HERE MY PLEASE OH LUCIFER!

Avenger, if you were a female I kiss you and then followed by unspeakable things. *shifts eyes*

Alas, you are not.

I just trying to be objective

As for that kiss, well . . . :p

Your superior maturity humbles and amazes me.

Stow it. No one wants your favor and praise. We know you too well to care what you think.

It's people like clan and SAJN that make me ashamed I support Kerry and why I'm hesitant to associate with anyone who supports Kerry.

Vote Badnarik, *****es.

(no reason in particular, I just wanted to say that)

That would make sense for the anti-bush people. He's more against Bush than Kerry is.

.. and apparently, some of the most ignorant are sent here. What a horrible, horrible thread.. if you have not takena logic/critical thinking class yet, guys, then you have no business trying to argue for one side or the other (unless for some reason you were magically born with the skills that the rest of us have to work so hard to acquire, which I highly doubt) . Why? Because almost all of these arguments here are atrocious, and your lack of training shows. Don't blame yourselves; many of you haven't had the opportunity to learn how to evaluate and formulate arguments, and some of you never will/will choose not to. But please don't act as if you are having a serious debate, because it's not even close. How many of you have actually read up on a single issue, looked at the multiple sides to it, and chosen a side based on the most valid reasons, evidence, etc.? I would venture a guess and say very few could adequately defend their position on just one issue. So why even try?...

And please don't take this as an attempt to claim superiority.. I am still very much a work-in-progress with regards to critical thinking, which is why you won't see me attempting to defend any position - I simply don't have the experience or the ability (yet!). It's just that this thread is such a downward spiral and so far from reason that I couldn't stand letting it go on.. the only possible result from continuing this would be hurt feelings.

We're a world power..

Sociology and Psychology teaches that human beings have a tendancy of abuseing power, rather than having power controlled.

Didn't say anything about bush, just giving my opinion on America and World Powers.

Jipe: Not everyone conducts arguments the same way, nor should they. Critical thinking isn't just something you can "teach", necessarily. You can make the environment more conducive to critical thinking and give someone a few pointers, but after that, people conduct arguments with their own style, partially based off personality.

And Wookie, I thought I was your favorite debate partner.