Grow up.
Perhaps that could honestly be interpreted as fanboyism, but you are acting like a 9 year old about it.

While were at it, I wonder if it's possible that the real reason for this flame war is because you're a liberal and I'm a conservative, and you hate my guts?

This arguement is stupid.

Agree 100%.

Obi_Kwiet, watch it. Youre pushing it.

I love you.

Ok. Halo 2 still doesnt live up to it. why are they just adding duel weildning now, and turrent guns? isnt that a sign that the first Halo lacked? does anyone else see that the only reason why people are excited about halo 2 is because it now has some features (not as many) as that were in Perfect Dark. I think they could of been a lot creative with the first and second one.

Me watch it!? Who are the people who stared some stupid flame war with no provocation? Who was the one who kept his kept his temper and had not flamed back? Who the one who broke the third Massassi forum rule? This is officially the stupidest flame war I have ever seen. Grrr…

*counts to ten* If refuse to participate any more in this nonsense! Now back to topic.

I never really saw anything that special about Halo. I had an ok story line, but its levels were pretty boring. From a PC point of view it’s just another FPS. From a console point of view I can see how it’s pretty big, because of the lack of good FPS’s for that title. I personally don’t find the controls for consoles to suit the FPS genre that well, so I think the X-box is better off used for other games. Still, that’s just my opinion, and I’m certainly not going to argue over a matter of personal taste. :p

OMG OMG MUST GET IT ON TUESDAY

Side note, but why do anti-Halo people always use the same argument?? They ALWAYS say that 'all Halo 2 adds is dual wielding and vehicle jacking!' Well, kiddies, don't forget the mega-enhanced graphics, new weapons, new vehicles (I think), better and more fun gameplay, and a large add-on to the Halo storyline! Have a nice day now.

Alright then, how about everybody chills out. That should work better.

... They added far more than that, and totally changed the game's dynamics.

More creative with the first one? Dude, there were so many features planned for the first one that got cut because of time constraints, it made gameplay unbalanced, or because they just sucked. Then there were the features and improvments that were found and constructed half-way through Halo's development. Too late to implement.

Halo 2, if you've kept up with everything, will totally ROCK. Almost everyone here who says it's nothing new points out the same two or three things. The game was changed FAR beyond that. Go read up. I can respect that you might not like it, but at least know that dual wielding, a sword, and improved graphics aren't the only changes.

But the graphics are crappy...and ALL the games to dual-weapons and carjacking now. :p

Judging by the :p, I guess you're joking... in that case, ho ho ho! dieplzkthx

If you aren't, dieplzkthx.

I mean what I said, but the :p is there to show that it's all in good fun--it's only a videogame after all. I'm sure Halo 2 will be decent fun when it comes out. Come on, give us a cuddle.

i saw the graphics ion my PC Gamer. Looked way too blocky. almost like a fancy n64 thing they got going on..with some reflections

I'm far from hating Halo, but I never really enjoyed it. I think that the fact it ran crappy on PC distracted me too much from the game, preventing me from getting into it.

When Halo 2 comes out for PC, I might give it a try, and then I might not. We'll see.

... Blocky? I find that hard to believe unless they got bad shots.

There's a great review of it in the latest X-box mag. I'm actually looking forward to it, now.

I know very little about halo 2, but I do now halo one was nothing special.
It was very over-hyped, and by fps standards, merely mediocre. Not crap, not great.
Now this doesn't mean it can't have an awesome sequal of course.
But I know I won't be bothered. I tend to play only one first person shooter at a time, and that game will be Half Life 2

WTF are you smoking? I've played it, and the graphics are humongously improved (btw it's legal for me to say that now--people at the local best buy play it in their spare time since they have it in stock :D)

Not only that, but I have no idea why people think Halo was mediocre. As a hardcore, steadfast PC gamer, I thoroughly enjoy, yes, still enjoy, Halo 1 every week when I play it. The singleplayer campaign was awesome. I mean it was much fun, and will be missed by me when Halo 2 takes its place. It wasn't overhyped, it's the single best selling game for any console currently out (meaning PS2, Gamecube, and X-Box, so you don't get confused), and is still selling. 4 years after it was created, for a console, no updates, no anything, it's still selling, and still selling systems for Microsoft. I find that very impressive.

Anyone who says it was over-hyped, it seems to me, doesn't want to admit that a console FPS may be one of the best games they've ever played.

Last note--HALO TWO IS NOT A GODDAMN THING LIKE HALO. Everything, everything feels and plays and is different. Trust me.

I think its amazing how so many people think its going to suck, or simply hate it like they did the first because its on Xbox. I still consider Halo to be one of the best FPS games ever, granted it may not look the most amazing, didnt then, doesnt now. But the gameplay is awsome, and multiplayer is almost as endless as UT or (yes i dare say) Half Life. I'm waiting to see what 2 brings to the table, and I'm willing to bet the results are going to be greater than the first by far.

What I like about X-Box Halo is that it's so easy to set up -- if you want to get together, bring the X-Box, cables, game, and controllers. Plug into a TV, and you're ready to go.

Oh, and King of the Hill gets insane, especially in the one map whose name I can not remember -- it's a concentric octagon, with two levels, blue textures. Anyone help me out here?

DereLICT my ba--oh..uh Dereliction I believe.

Yeah, Halo LANs are ubereasy.

everyone is forgetting my point on why i'm not thinking halo2 is gonna be too great.

run, jump, shoot, drive, dodge.... did i forget any gameplay elements? did i forget anything that i havent done a million times in a million fps games?

really... this genre is getting dull and repetitive.

sounds like 20 minutes of amusement.

Dual wielding really isn't done in many games, and H2 does it superbly. Boarding...actually I've never done that in a game before...ever... The weapons in the game are really balanced. The vehicles handle extremely well. The levels are beautiful and large, the single player campaign is fun. Just because it's not amazingly new and innovative doesn't mean ****, really. It just means it's gotta go a step further to be good, and this game goes a step further.

so its like a car with a new engine, does exactly the same but a little quicker for a bit more of a price.

still not sold, fps games are all identical as far as i'm concerned, the same essential gameplay hasnt changed in 10 years or something... bring on something new and interesting.

Yes because you know, going from up, down, left, right, control to the amazing things you do in FPS' today...no change at all.

i think you've just kinda proven yourself wrong... fps games *are* just that today, maybe with a few new features.... same game i've played since my friend showed me quake 8 or 9 years back.

Im just waiting for all the halo fanboys in my school to tell me how great it is, so I can tell them how every shooter on the PC is superior to Halo 2 in 12 different ways.

I think what about 90% of you don't get, and never will get since you've not played most of Bungie's titles, is that Bungie makes games to tell a story more than anything else. The game they design is there to involve you, and help tell that story.

Why do I say you won't get that? Because all of their games have plot elements, little features, clips of dialouge, music themes, level designs... they have all of that and more in common. It makes them special. There are references and themes in the plot of Halo, that you won't get unless you played through the Marathon trilogy. If you haven't, it makes little difference, you still get all of Halo's story. But if you have, it brings a new level of meaning to some parts of the game. You can understand what's going on better, it can raise questions you hadn't thought to ask. See where I'm going with this? Bungie tells a story, and that story is almost ALWAYS very intricate.

I am of the opinion that to fully appreciate what Halo is, you need to have quite a bit of background knowledge about Bungie and their previous games.

Really though people, you're pulling down a game based upon the utter BASICS of a FPS game. Look at all of the Strategy games. Strip them down to their bare basics. Are they not all exactly alike? Take all the RPG games. Strip them down. Again, does not every one of those look incredibly alike? You're complaining of unoriginality and using the basics of a first person shooter to back it up. You can do that for ANY game.

Not very excited for Halo, probably not getting it for christmas, to busy convincing parents to get me a guitar :).
I would be to preocupied with Half-Life 2 and World Of Warcraft anyways.

Having played most of the shooters that are popular for the PC, I can tell you that Halo 2 holds its own very well.

Spe--like Phoenix said, you can break down almost all games today and do that. But it's the quality of the game--voiceacting, cutscenes, graphics, gameplay, skill level, special abilities, special features...it's the little things that make a great game. Not the humongous changes and innovations--in fact, that can even make a horrible game.

Either way, Spe, your argument is invalid.

I remember reading one of the developers say that their main goal for changes in Halo 2, was to add new things, while not alienating vets of the first game. That basically equated to alot of smaller changes.

i love the way my argument is invalid because of what you get out of a game.

i'd never rate a game on story, voiceacting, graphics, skill level or little niggly features... thats like rating a movie on special effects or a music cd on its cover art.

give me gameplay that i havent experienced a million times before.

What the hell is wrong with you?

explain more in-depth please

A friend of mine managed to get a DIGITAL PROJECTOR for the evening, and yes, I preordered at EB...

There will be 4 of us on that, and 12 others on the 3 36" TVs we borrowed from various people, all set up in the confrence room of the previously mentioned freind's uncle's office...

Fun times...

Gameplay is not the only aspect of a game. I play a game as much for the graphics and audio as for the gameplay. Besides, since every game nowadays is a post-apocolyptic FPS with robots/aliens, the items you mentioned are the only distinguishing factors.

Plus, your analogies are extremely lacking.

Halo 2 versus NOTHING sets up a flame war, god I hate to see Halo 2 vs Something.

The well is dry, the stone has been bled, that dead horse is a pulp, we get your collective points.

Anyway, I agree with the fact it doesn't look all that aweinspiring flat out graphic wise (saw it in my EGM). However, the size and detail of the levels were impressive.



I'm a bit green with envy. That will indeed rock.

I don't understand how you guys can say that the original Halo was just like any other FPS. It brought totally new stuff to the table. Halo was all about strategy. What it differently that no other FPS had done was to use a over-shield, intelligent AI and enemies that required certain stratgies to defeat, and, of course, vehicles. You couldn't just go blasting your way through the game because the enemies were too smart. They put a two weapon limit on the player as well which was something that no other FPS was doing at the time. Two different kinds of greandes for different situations. The weapons were very balanced as well. Vehicles were a brand new thing back when Halo came out. The story, sound, and effects were pretty entertaining, too. The only thing I can really complain about was the level design. It got pretty repetitive towards the middle of the game, although the first few levels were great.

And here's Bungie's synopsis on Halo 2:

My friend pre-ordered Halo 2 from Coastco (I live in New England) and got it 2 days ago..

When I saw halo for the first time i didn't think much of it but when i played it I got hooked. Sure, it may not be anything new to the normal FPS player but it is one of the best consel FPS out there. Oh, and the story is awsome too.