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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

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I *so* want this card.

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

Yeesh... it costs more than my computer is currently worth.

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[This message has been edited by DSettahr (edited April 14, 2004).]

Go Nvidia! Go OpenGL! Go Linux!

Death to ATI! Death to DirectX! Death to Windows!

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Apparently, the NVidia Advertisement at the beginning of UT2k4 is a bit premature... Until this new card, the 9800XT blew all previous cards away, even on games designed for NVidia cards... I can't wait to see ATI's new card, though... I'm sure it will be out in the next month or two, and should provide a nice kick, as well as knocking the price of the 9800XT so I can afford one... As well as stay one step behind...

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You fail to keep in mind the next ATI card will be arriving shortly too, and I'll bet my pants it beats this behemoth.

I'd never get the card anyway, I ain't wasting a precious PCI slot for some bulky overly expensive video card.

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We shall see...

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

And if ATI fails, we're going to see far more of Cool Matty then any of us want to.

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Great. I can already see "Fan Boy Wars 3" brewing

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Yeah, I can see the nVidiots now...

"LIE OMGZ LIEK TOTALYL DETROYED THA 9800XT LIE SLOZlZXoiszdlgjslflhk lj lhgj"

Once the r4xx are out, then we can make a comparison. It would be hidiously stupid to buy the NV40 before comparing it to the next ATI chip.

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[This message has been edited by Sol (edited April 14, 2004).]

Except for those of us that never buy ATI . . . ever...

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

Damn, that thing is huge!


I want one. Oh how I want one..

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As mentioned previously, even if ATI's card beats this one by any margin, I would still buy the nVidia one. Why? Because they provide great drivers for Linux, my primary operating system. Speaking of which, let me boot windows so I can beat this boss in Painkiller

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New card, new chip, new drivers. Really, the drivers are up in the air atm, ATi could pull out the linux crew and get the drivers for the R420 nice and up to speed. Either way, ATi's new card will almost DEFINITELY beat the pants off of the NV40, just becaus they're that damn cool and have 16 pipes confirmed. w00t.


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I'm impressed. Also check out the Unreal 3 technology videos here:

http://www.jamesbambury.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/unreal3_0002.wmv

The monsters in the end are especially impressive.

I love how ATI's one good run has bred hordes of fanboys.

Then there are those of us loyal NVidia followers who have been with them since the pre-TNT days.





Reading is our friend.

NVidia's Linux drivers are easier to use than some of ATI's Windows software... *cough*POS MMC*cough*

[This message has been edited by Darth (edited April 14, 2004).]

If ATI starts releasing timely, easy-to-install -and-use drivers for Linux, I will of course consider one of their cards.

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First time I ever installed NVidia Linux drivers, I had barely touched the Linux command line, yet I found it very easy.

Nvidia's linux drivers are the best... the do everything for you, and let you update them with a simple command.

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The unreal 3 videos look amazing...

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Nvidia linux drivers aren't foolproof, since I had a hell of a time setting them up on my GF3. Either way, I found the ATI drivers very easy too. Just ran the installer, and fixed the one bug they hadn't fixed at that time, and that was using an external AGP module. Took about 1 minute tops.

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Oh please, can we skip the Nvidia/ATI fanboy nonsense. 60-120% over an 9800XT is damn impressive, good work NV.....and if ATI's new card has similar or better performance than good work them too, but let's keep our heads firmly attached to our shoulders here.

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BTW, Darth, ATi's been around a LOT longer than nVidia. Jaiph--it's not fanboy nonsense, the performance boost over the 5900 with the 9800 was insane. I can only imagine with the next card. Yes this card is good, yes it's awesome, but I'm going to wait for ATi. Also, Darth, I read that it had 16 pipes, but ATi is known to make more of the same technology.


Great googly MOOGLY that unreal 3 engine owns.
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[This message has been edited by Dj Yoshi (edited April 14, 2004).]

I've never had a problem with nvidia drivers. Ever.

I never even got ATI's drivers working.

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I use whatever suits me. Currently, it is the 9800 Pro.

I say we hunt down the fanboys and MAKE them use the card they don't like, whither it be Nvidia or Radeon.

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Not all of it, just much of it and it gets really old.

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To each his own. But I still deem you looney for selling a GREAT card to use a TNT2

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Yah, ATi's proven betterness with the same technology that nVidia uses is total fanboyishness. I like ATi because they're oldschool, fact, I'm a bit of a fanboy, fact, I use a GF4 and don't mind, fact, ATi's better than nVidia atm, minus the 6800, fact. I'm waiting for the R420 before I make any judgements.

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I never said NVidia was older than ATI...

I said they've had very little time on the top of the 3D card market compared to NVidia.

And yes, it's fanboy-ism when you blindy state something that practically no one has seen yet is better than something else.

[This message has been edited by Darth (edited April 14, 2004).]

How inflexible some people here are

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I don't get fanboys. I just use whichever brand will give me best performance for my money. My current card is a Radeon 9800, my previous one was a GeForce 3.

Anyhoo, That 6800 does look good.

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Being stuck behind a £20 TNT2 for four years certainly doesn't bode well for nVidia.

Well, if the nVidia graphics cards (say, around the Radeon 9600) are within my price range, then I may go and do a widdle purchase.

Ok, maybe not. My 9600 seems to outrank the 5200 by quite a bit (the 9200 is pretty level to the 5200) and the 9600 is only £70.

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I'm still waiting to pass judgement on which card is better, given that the next Radeon isn't even out yet. Currently, I would think that ATI would win this round, given how they have gone since the Radeon's debut. Prior to that, I didn't touch ATI's cards with... Well... I simply didn't touch them, even if it was from across the 'Net. Even if the NVidia card is faster, it still makes little diference to me, as all I'm caring about is the 9800Xt being kicked from its ~$500 (It has been dropping, albeit slowly) seat.

As for that U3 video: Ownage. Hope to see it in UT2k5 (UT2k6 would be too long), since I don't currently play Unreal.

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1 and 2.) Yah, but ATi's been around a lot longer to like.

3.) I didn't, I said it probably would be. Just making assumptions on how the Radeon line performs next to the GFX line. Could be different, but for some reason, I doubt it.


Also, a while back I said nVidia would pwn ATi this round, because they had 16 pipes, and back then the newest ATi was supposed to have only 12. Now that the playing field's more level, seeing that ATi uses more of the technology than nVidia most often, ATi seems in the better position to win.
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[This message has been edited by Dj Yoshi (edited April 14, 2004).]

The Unreal3 footage looks amazing, even in the video. It's crazy

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Agreed. So much that I needed to quote this post, and say it again, despite already having said it in a preious post... It looks like Doom3, which is impressive enough. However, since the resolution is bent there (being rendered on a large screen, then captured on camera), it may have the illusion of being higher detail than it actually is. But nonetheless, the detail is still beyond everything out today.

Of course, Doom3 doesn't have any stained-glass lamps, so the video there for U3 looks better, if only because their demo makes better use of the engine.

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i'mn gonna laugh if ATI's card comes out and only matches the nvidia.. doesn't beat, doesn't get beat but matches it i would love to see where the fanboy wars go with that

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firstly this card is NOT pretty, its an ugly monster that should definatly be trimmed down, its ridiculous that it should take up the PCI slot next to it....absolutly stupid, ati have never had to have such a huge heat sink or fan, why do nvidia???

secondly why are they comparing to the 9800XT and saying nvidia have won this round...we haven't even seen both competitors yet....

nvidia have made up ground...they needed to lets face it, the FX series is a joke, whether they have caught up enough waits to be seen...the card is impressive in its performance....

i've had both makes and never had problems with either, have a ti4200 at the mo and its great for its price, but i'd be dammed if i'm going to buy a card that takes the PCI slot next to it, even if it means forsaking ~5% of performance, fix that and i MAY be interested, but it all depends on ATI's next card....until then we should all put our d**ks away and wait... /rant

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I heard someone say once that the world is a fine place and that it was worth fighting for....I agree with the last part.

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ATi's card will probably be cheaper though

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That'd be the ideal case for the lowest prices for the consumer, so really, everyone should hope for that.