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Is alcohol poison?
2004-12-08, 7:11 PM #1
Is alcohol poison?
2004-12-08, 7:13 PM #2
I vote for secret option C) Delicious
2004-12-08, 7:16 PM #3
Yeah. You drink too much of it, you die.
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2004-12-08, 7:19 PM #4
by definition, yes.
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2004-12-08, 7:21 PM #5
Anything not used in a moderated amount can be poisonous.

But I'd have to say no, since you *could* drink lots of it and live just fine (NOT saying that it's necessarily a good idea to do that...)

Besides, if it were straight out poison, um... *cough* blood of christ *cough*
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2004-12-08, 7:29 PM #6
Lets look at the definition:

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any substance that causes injury or illness or death of a living organism

[url]www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn[/url]

It most definatly can be a poison if abused. The qestion is here, however, is it harmful if only a small amount is taken? If it does not affect the body in any negetive way at all, then it is not poison.

What if you take a very small portion of rat poison? You probobly won't be signifigantly injured, so is it still poison? I think both alcohol and rat poison can possibly "poison" you wihtout you realizing it, simply because it is so minor when the portion is so small.
2004-12-08, 7:29 PM #7
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Originally posted by Avenger
Yeah. You drink too much of it, you die.


you drink too much water, you die. (seriously)
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2004-12-08, 7:32 PM #8
But is drinking a little bit of water at all harmful? How about taking a little bit of alcohal? Whether you feel it or not, your body has to work to counter the alcohol.
2004-12-08, 7:33 PM #9
Yep. Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide!
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2004-12-08, 7:34 PM #10
As the medieval German alchemist Theophrastus Philippus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim AKA Paracelsus wrote, "The dose makes the poison."

Any substance can be considered poisonous, if you ingest enough of it.
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2004-12-08, 8:30 PM #11
*overdoses on the German*
2004-12-08, 8:37 PM #12
Yes, and it's stupid.

Go ahead and smash your head against a wall, you'll feel the same way as you would after a binge drinking session, and kill the same amount of brain cells.
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2004-12-08, 8:50 PM #13
Alcohol is TEH DEVIL.

I don't ever plan on drinking any, but I'm not going to chastise others about it.
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2004-12-08, 8:55 PM #14
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Originally posted by MaxisReed
Go ahead and smash your head against a wall, you'll feel the same way as you would after a binge drinking session, and kill the same amount of brain cells.


That is definetly the cheap alternitive, and almost as much fun.
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2004-12-08, 9:06 PM #15
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Originally posted by Mikus
I vote for secret option C) Delicious

I raise my glass to that
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2004-12-08, 9:09 PM #16
Quote:
Originally posted by thauruin
That is definetly the cheap alternitive, and almost as much fun.


ALmost is the key word there, me thinks. :D
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2004-12-08, 9:09 PM #17
Ask your liver this question and see what the answer is.

(I voted yes :p)
2004-12-08, 9:57 PM #18
Yep, I believe that it's on the list of legal poisons.
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2004-12-08, 10:01 PM #19
In huge amounts yes it is but don't worry you'll most likely throw up long before that happens.
2004-12-08, 10:02 PM #20
Alcohol is obviously a poison...not really a matter of opinion here.
2004-12-08, 10:06 PM #21
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Originally posted by MechWarrior
In huge amounts yes it is but don't worry you'll most likely throw up long before that happens.


MechWarrior knows from much experience. :p
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2004-12-08, 10:07 PM #22
Unfortunatly this is true.
2004-12-08, 10:24 PM #23
alcohol is my blood
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2004-12-08, 10:37 PM #24
Everything is deadly in quantity. That's the first law of natural toxicity or somesuch.

But by definition, yes, alcohol is a poison - it does cause cellular damage, and it does interfere with natural processes. Alcohol hasn't been demonstrated to be useful to the human body in any quantity.

That said, I love scotch. Scotch scotch scotch.
2004-12-08, 10:48 PM #25
haha sometimes I feel like it is. The other day I drank wayyyy too much (note I am 21 now) I was hungover the whole next day, which wasn't too fun.

Laura
2004-12-08, 10:48 PM #26
Yeah, I guess it is a poison, but I voted no, because that's what I like to tell myself:p
2004-12-08, 10:49 PM #27
There is a reason bartenders ask you "What's your poison?".
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2004-12-08, 11:18 PM #28
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Originally posted by BoricuaDelight
haha sometimes I feel like it is. The other day I drank wayyyy too much (note I am 21 now) I was hungover the whole next day, which wasn't too fun.

Laura

No those are not fun. On me birthday (20 Nov 2004) I had a weee bit to much. Sunday morning SUCKED. I wish not to repeat that again.
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2004-12-08, 11:26 PM #29
Bloody Mary's are a good pick me up for a hangover. :p

Actually, what you do after you stop drinking and before you go to bed is key to avoiding that hangover. Lots and lots of water. ;)
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2004-12-08, 11:28 PM #30
Alcohol poisoned old lash larue so bad that I starred in the nonporno part of a porno.
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2004-12-09, 2:02 AM #31
This is how I see it:
You drink too much water, it kills you, it';s called "internal drowning" or something similar (could be wrong...)
You die from too much alcohol and it's called alcohol poisoning.

If you can die from alcohol poisoning, then that must mean it poisoned you, and must therefore be poisonus.
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2004-12-09, 2:10 AM #32
The difference is water is required for basic living. Alcohol is a global toxin.
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2004-12-09, 3:29 AM #33
Yes indeed, and toxin = poison.
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2004-12-09, 3:40 AM #34
Let's fill this thread with some scientific evidence of the toxicity of ethanol. This is best done with LD50 (the dose of the given chemical that kills 50% of the given subjects, in this case rats, since human values aren't scienfically that accurate, fortunately). Since most of here drink alcohol (as opposed to injecting it straight to vein or muscle), I only selected LD50 oral values.

So, these are LD50 (ORAL,RAT):

Ethanol: 7060 mg/kg
Methanol: 5628 mg/kg
2-propanol: 5045 mg/kg (some call this "rubbing alcohol")

Let's then take a couple of real toxins:
caffeine: 192 mg/kg
NaCN 6.4 mg/kg (this is the ever popular cyanide)

As you can see, toxicity is a very dose dependent thing. You can enjoy more ethanol than methanol or isopropanol. But still methanol is only 20% more poisonous than ethanol. Well, to be fair, if you happen to survive, methanol can leave you with more severe side-effects than ethanol...
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2004-12-09, 4:50 AM #35
Quote:
Originally posted by happydud
Alcohol is TEH DEVIL.

I don't ever plan on drinking any, but I'm not going to chastise others about it.


heehee!!

But yeah, quite obviously a poison.
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2004-12-09, 2:51 PM #36
Mmm...rotting sugar-water with flavours.
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2004-12-09, 3:09 PM #37
Alcohol IS a poison. Yes.

IS alcohol poison? No.
2004-12-09, 3:18 PM #38
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Originally posted by Darth Slaw
Anything not used in a moderated amount can be poisonous.
That's your standard for determining if something is a poison?
That's like saying an acid is not acidic because it's weaker than a stronger one.

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Besides, if it were straight out poison, um... *cough* blood of christ *cough*
Most churches use grape juice for that.
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2004-12-09, 3:22 PM #39
Not that I'm aware of. I know the wine is diluted, but it sure as heck isn't grape juice.
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2004-12-09, 3:37 PM #40
Yeah... Every church I've been to where I've drank the blood of christ, it's been wine.. Even when I was like 8 I remember, it was wine, because I hated the taste.

As far as I know....Religious places like to follow their beliefs to the EXACT key.. They won't substitute anything for the sake of anything. If it's been tradition/the belief to drink wine, then that's the way it's going to stay. It would be like a contradiction of their beliefs.
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