Hey, this is my first post to the Massassi Dating Service, so bare with me please.

There is this girl that I really like that goes to my school....But as usual there are problems. Today I told her that I liked her, and she didn't really turn me down, but she didn't say yes to anything. Basically the deal is that right now I'm not the only guy that likes her, but from what she's told me I'm the only guy treating her with any respect what-so-ever. Her former best friend is hitting on her and when she turns him down, he basically calls her innapropriate things. Her ex-boyfriend is trying to get back togather with her, but I don't really think that she wants that. She has another friend that likes her, but she told me she doesn't like him that way, and then he calls her crap about it. Finally, she has one other guy that is comming in to visit this weekend that had to move away that is "looking forward to seeing her" and she feels mutual. But she doesn't expect anything to come out of that.

To top it off, if you don't think that's bad enough, her best friend, which is someone that I have known for a long time, likes me. I have not lead her on in any way at all, but she really likes me because of rumors people have been telling her. She has heard from people that I really like her, which is not the case, I just like her as a friend.

what to do?

Keep on truckin man, if all the other guys that like her are poo-stains, she should eventually realize that you're the one. If not, just make some spanky with her friend.

I couldn't have said it better.

Kill a small woodland creature with a large gun. Every thing will then fall into place.

And there you were complaining that condoms were inappropriate, however you believe that reckless violence is?

In a normal society, people don't kill small woodland animals to solve their girl problems. But hey, you probably would.

Bad. The only reason why she tells you this is b/c she sees you as a mere friend. Move on, theres nothing else to see here.

I'd go for her friend, if i was you.

Page is probably right, but if you take the initiatve right now, you might have a shot. If not, you'll only be friends.



Just shut up.

You aren't one for tradition are you Avenger? You seem to have a hostile predisposition toward me.

More like a hostile predispoition toward meaningless posts, especially on threads where people are asking for a little bit of help.

Don't let anything Obi said in any other thread carry over into this one please, despite what you (or I) may think of it. I thought that comment was..... fine.

*looks around*

yep... still all alone

I tend to agree with him. Forget her. She's imperfect and worthless, and you'll find yourself attracted to her, and you'll feel emotional pain when she leaves you.

Never get involved with a chick that has, "All these guys tring to get with her." That just causes problems.. with jealousy.

I go for the ugly chicks!

A girl who wants you to chase her is a girl who just wants attention, and a cheap minx like that is worth none of your time.

However, If a girl chases you and is willing to break the usual rule of a guy making a move on a girl, then imo she's more of a keeper. Unless u grow tired of her.

further points:
You can try. If u're the kinda guy who doesnt really get down about these things, u can try get with her for real, get turned down, and u wont mind. However if you're anything like me, jealousy will become a problem, and this girl kinda sounds the type to mess guys around.
In which case, stay single, and try nothing.

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

My advice will depend on the answer to the following question: Is her friend attractive?

i don't care what avenger thinks of this, that had me laughing out loud. thanks for that, obi

Sorry, last night I was being hassled by my parents and was forced to log offline. Therefor I couldn't make the second part clear enough. "her friend" that likes me is someone that I've known for about 4 years. I look to her as more a sisterly type and would definatly not date her. Today, I wrote the one that I like a poem, and it goes a little something like this...

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What do you think? Will this benefit me or...well post your thoughts on the situation now

Thanks...

its sweet.

But I would never ever ever ever write a girl a poem like that.

Its liek saying "Hey look at me, I'm a completely over romantic childish pu**y"

But I tend to go for bad girls :(#


good luck

if(getThingFlags(source) & 0x8){
  do her}
elseif(getThingFlags(source) & 0x4){
  do other babe}
else{
  do a dude}

I agree with clan ruthervain, it's unlikely to give you any real edge. High risk, low reward.

lose the poem.

this only makes you look like a supplicating nice guy, which is the absolute last thing you want.

I'm talking to her right now, really the only competition now is the guy comming in for a visit over the holiday break (2 weeks) and she is "excited to see him" but she doesnt know if anything is going to happen, and she told me that maybe she's just excited because she hasn't seen him since the beginning of the sememster.... The other guys are all jerks to her, and I asked her if she'd like to do anything over the break and she said yeah. She thought the poem was nice and it brought a smile to her face....alright quick, ANALYSTS GO!

Tell me what this all means

No yooooooooooooou shutup!

The situation does not look good for you at all. You f***ed up big time by letting her see the poem.

Like I said before, the reason why she is talking about other guys to you is b/c she sees you more like a friend than a potential lover. Once this happens, there is little, if anything, you can do to fix it, so you may as well move on now and don't make the same mistakes again.

how did I f*** up by letting her see the poem? She's going through some rough times right now and I felt that it would help her out. And she said it made her feel better...I mean how is that f***ing up?

The poem was incredibly sweet, I'm sure she appreciated it very much. I'm sorry but unless I know her, I probably can't help you out much here, and I would like to add that no one here knows her either, so we can only help so much. Good Luck!!

I'm sure it did make her feel better. But unfortunately, that's probably not going to translate into better chances for you. If the guy coming in this weekend is, and acts like, a complete prick, you may still have a shot. Emphasis on if.

A couple more questions. Does this girl know that her friend likes you? If so, does she know that you're not at all interested in her friend?

The friend of hers now knows I do not like her, and the one I like knew that I didn't like her as well.

Has the one you like ever made any comments to you about the one you don't?

He's not afraid to show emotion, unlike some people. Are you afraid of women or something? What's the worst that could happen? Do you think she would bust out laughing, or never talk to him again, or what? I hardly think so.


She seems like a reasonable, level-headed girl. Honestly, I think you have a good shot. And you're so close, it would be stupid not to keep going. But don't nag her to death about it either. That would be bad. She knows how you feel, I would assume, since you read her the poem. What did she say afterwords? Or did she give any indicating facial expressions (besides a smile)? Her eyes would tell the most, as would the type of smile she gave. Also, her eyebrows. All these things together would've told you exactly what you wanted to know. If you can't interpret any of that, wait until after this guy leaves or whatever after the weekend, then talk to her. Make her tell you if she likes your or not. And always be prepared to expect the worst, because that way, if it doesn't go like you want, it hopefully won't hurt as much.

Or if you've ever been a telemarketer, have rebuttles ready.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
You are a bread,
I am love you.

where did this new assumption come from?

It's not about being aftraid to show emotions. Women on the whole like strong, masculine men, and writing sappy hokum-filled poetry does not convey this image. Instead, it makes you look like a desperate nice guy, which is why you fail.

I've lived both sides in my life, and I can tell you that the poetry-writing, emotional, nice guy approach does not work. Nice guys finish last. I did not make this rule, nature did. If you think that you are going to land women by writing poetry, then you are wasting your time.

Both men and women are bound by the rules of nature, so we as men must understand why women go for the strong men instead of the nice guys



We men are competitive by nature, and there is a distinct pecking order. Remember High school? There was a definite hierarchy, and the strongest/most influential people got the chicks. It's pure darwinian-- survival of the fittest. The guys that got laid back in High school didn't get there because of poetry or being a nice guy, thats for damn sure.

Now how can we learn from this? We must understand and isolate what made the successful guys different from all the nice guys, and adapt the essense of it for our own uses. Years ago, I isolated the fundamental truth:

Successful men are not afraid of their testosterone.

They are not afraid to go out there and roll with the ladies. They were not afraid to make their voices heard. They were able to get what they wanted b/c they had the intestinal fortitude to go out there and get it, regrets be damned. They knew what they wanted, they knew they were going. they knew that they deserved the best women, and they were likewise rewarded.

The nice guy is the polar opposite. I know, I used to be one before I turned. The nice guy is afraid of leaving his niche/cvomfort zome. He believes all the hype that society feeds him about women (society does this b/c they want nice guy's money and they try to get him to go out and buy all sorts of s*** that he doesn't really need. The lie of romance has become a marketing tool, and there's a sucker born every minute) and trys to win their favour with poetry, flowers, and all that s*** that he doesn't really need. If he needed flowers, poetry, and candy to get women, he would have been born with them in his hands.
Nature equips us with what we need, its just that many of us have forgotten how to use our women-getting gtools b/c society has been bulls***ting us all these years concerning what women really want, how to get them, etc.

The number one flaw of the nice guy and the source of all his problems is that he puts women on a pedestal instead of realizing that he is the prize to be sought after.


Once you change your way of thinking, your success with women will change too.

<3


Couldn't have said it better myself,

I actually see logic in what Pagewizard said...

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*cough*

..hahahahahahahahahahahahaha..

..haha...

ha...

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I'm imagining page writing poems

His message can be boiled down to simple common sense: "be conifdent." He just adds all this goofy macho crap though (sorry, Page).

BOOOORRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGGGG!!!

Your **** are pretty big
How about you and me shack up
You won't regret it

I hate to break it to you page, but i've been in two(currently still in one of those) meaningful relationships with women, where the nice guy thing worked. although poetry has never been my forte. i fsking hate poetry. boring garbage most of it.

anywhos, a girl with a reasonable intelligence wont go after the "macho man blah blah testosterone blah blah" guy because they see them as a threat to what they want. Stability. Honesty. something long-term.

the nice guy has the advantage because he embodies this image of the guy to help raise children.(if you dont think teenagers want children, i remind you that not too long ago these girls were playing house and taking care of baby dolls. these images dont die that quickly.)

a girl who has come to the conclusion that she doesnt want the stability or anything will go after the aforementioned testosterone overflowing guys for a a few good memories and a good lay.

there are reasons behind everything a woman does, and no one understands them completely. page must have failed as a nice guy because he went after stupid girls or something.

Deep down they want that, but they want excitement and mystery most of all. The problem is that what women claim they want and what they go for are two different things. A healthy balance of both should suffice. Ther most i could recommend for you is to not let yourself become predictable and boring.





If this was true, then there would be no market for condoms or birth control pills.

right. and yet...christ i dont have time for this right now.i have too much to do and i should be sleeping more on this tomorrow.