Just a little question to all of the Americans on Massassi: does anybody here still think Bush has all of his marbles?

After last night's speech, i really think that he has clearly lost it. Believing that he has been appointed by God to liberate the Middle-East is really not going to go down well with the rest of the world (especially the Muslim parts of it). Its almost as though he believes he's a knight fighting in the Crusades against the Arab lords (such as Saladin).

What do the rest of you think?

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Er...actually...most Iraqis are glad we liberated them--they just want us out ASAP, which is what we're doing. So wtf are you talking about eh?

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I think he's talking about the "they just want us out of there ASAP" part

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Lol.. it seems to me that they need someone like saddam in charge to keep order.

Although, yes for the most part, Iraqis are happier now than they were before the war, however with all the attacks on US troops and civilians there is still a lot of work to be done.

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[This message has been edited by TheJkWhoSaysNi (edited April 14, 2004).]

Saladin owns each and every single one of you.

I don't like the man, but I don't believe he's insane. He just makes decisions I really don't agree with AT ALL.

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He's not off his rocker.

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No more insane than a very large portion of the population. Wait.. that's bad

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His comments didn't surprise me. Bush may not technically be "insane", but his actions and words speak of a damaged judgement.

As for the troops in Iraq, the Iraqis are becoming less happy by the day. Unfortunately, it would be a massive error to pull the American Troops from there; it would become the most massive defeat for the U.S. since the Vietnam War, and worse. The Iraqis may have been initially happy to be "liberated", but they don't seem to be happy now.

I believe that's why many other people that were against the invasion of Iraq are supporting keeping troops in there: if we keep them in there, hopefully we will bring stability (and potentially democracy) back to Iraq. If we were to pull out, we (as in the USA and the UK) would lose on all acounts, having taken casualties in the thousands, spending billions of dollars, and simply turning the oppressed (albeit stable) nation of Iraq into a place for terrorism and other nasty things to brew.

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[This message has been edited by nottheking (edited April 14, 2004).]

I thought he came across sincerely and clearly in his opening statement. He was abit thrown by the media attacks which were aimed at getting John Kerry some sound bites but I think he expected some of that. Considering the intense questions I'm sure much of the media is upset that they can't capitilize on his answers.

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Can't capitalize on his answers?! I think: "I wish you had submitted this question earlier, so I would have had more time to think about it" (or however that statement went) was rather bad. Though I could agree with his idea of keeping troops in Iraq "as long as it takes", he made a fool of himself, turning his credibility rating of something like -4 into a rating of -5.

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[This message has been edited by nottheking (edited April 14, 2004).]

Of course he's insane:
He wanted to be president...

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See: joke. Well, half-joke.

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I don't know, but the press conference was scripted, and the questions submitted in advance. That's lilely because Bush has held so few since his innaguration.

Anybody interested in reading/hearing/watching the thing can go here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html

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Insane? No. Question decisions? Possibly.

Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him any less sane than you. Since when did he ever say he was appointed by God to liberate the Middle East? How is the war in Iraq a Crusade? If he was crusading, don't you think we'd also be bombing Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, etc?

Now that we are in Iraq, we have to stay. The people who say that we should leave right now could be classified as insane. Do they realize what kind of chaos Iraq would be thrown into if we just packed up and left next week? What is happening now would be like a few minor disagreements. If there was no large, dominant military and authority there, absolute hell would break loose. People complain about power outages and water shortages now? If we left tomorrow, they'd really see what lack of power and water is. We have to stay even if it means the loss of more troops, because if we suddenly leave, Iraq will be thrown into absolute chaos and will be a huge catastrophe. Whether or not you agreed with the war, we're there now, and we can't leave.

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More people saw American Idol than the president's address. Maybe this is why most presidents don't hold many press conferences at all.

Bush is not insane, he's brilliant (at least the half of his Cabinet that have been around since the Nixon Administration are).
Of course he doesn't think we're on a crusade for me, I never sanctioned anything!

It's an election year so he's just going to secure his vote by bull****ting his constituents (which, I am sorry to say, is all of us), and most of the stuff politicians say anyway is far from the truth.


If people understood how the government actually worked the world would end.

It makes it easy for guys like him to do this because people are generally stupid. They're either the "I like Bush because he looks good on TV"'s or the classic "I hate the government, especially the President, but I don't know why."

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The world has gone to ****, go home and cry.

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Exactly. That's also why John Kerry (among other politicians) supports keeping troops in Iraq, despite many rumors that he's inconsitent on the subject.

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What I didn't like about the conference were the persistent questions asking if Bush felt the need to apologize...

That's horse s*** it my opinion...

Did the entire state of Japan hold the flame to their leader asking for an apology for letting Hiroshima and Nagasaki happening?

Did the world hold the torch to Jewish leaders to apologize for allowing the Holocaust to happen to their people?

I know these are extreme examples, but so is feeling that Bush should apologize for 9/11. If you feel that, you really are ignorant to the facts...

Sure Bush had some faults in letting 9/11 happen, but don't think previous presidents and administrations couldn't have helped prevent either. Its just stupid...

Remember: there's a fine line between genius and insanity. His may very well be perforated.
Yes, sadly much of the things claimed by all politicians up for election (or re-election) are fairly skewed. An example would be his claim that he will hand over control of Iraq by June 30... It's been almost a whole year since the invasion started, yet he still has no clue as how to hand over power, or who to give it to.

A few of us know who the government works, yes we do... And we're scared.


Unfortunately, that's true. It can largely blamed on the media for not providing decent news coverage (instead favoring things that fall into the "entertainment" category). As a result, people don't bother to become informed (it takes too much time), and just have an un-informed opinion of the government. That is partially (if not wholly) why the voter turnout in the US is ~50% at best.

That sums it up quite nicely. Unfortunately, I cannot say that it's terribly re-asuring, without being a really bad liar.

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[This message has been edited by nottheking (edited April 14, 2004).]

It not rumored that he is inconsistent on this, and pretty much every other topic, although you are absolutely correct in stating that he understands troops need to stay.

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Honestly, I think he has a better chance of retaining office the Kerry does getting it. This is from a non-voter's point of view anyway. And, I'd find it tough to call on Bush's performance in office. I think that given the circumstances, he's certainly not doing bad. I mean, come on, not even a year after taking office, and a terrorist attack hits? I think its just a no win situation for him. Everybody wanted him to go to war with someone and now nobody wants to claim him. Time for this whole country to just claim some responsiblity and not just blame the guy in charge if you ask me. (and even though I don't vote, I'd still fess up about wanting to blow someone away after all that went on)

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I think I read somewhere that one in three people are some form of insane.

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Normally I respond with some intelligent statement in response to a question like this, but not today. Anyone who thinks Bush is insane is an idiot. Don't argue, you just are. I have absolutely no respect for you as a person at all. AT ALL!

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[This message has been edited by Nubs (edited April 14, 2004).]

Choose Your Own Adventure time, Massassi style.

A) Post more posts like the previous one and thread gets CLOSED.

OR

B) Stay calm and not create another silly political flamefest and thread stays OPEN.

Which shall it be? The power is in your hands!

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Insane? No. A regurgitating puppet? Yes.

Sadly, GWB is just as misinformed as the rest of us.

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Sometimes? The only thing Kerry is consistent on is high taxes. And, what is Bush supposed to be admitting he is wrong about?

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No one here could possibly know the answer to the initial question, so I'll pretend that it was rhetorical and move on to more important matters...

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Bush isn't what I'd call "insane", but he has made some really dumb mistakes in office.

Here's my belief, in 2000's election, it was one idiot or the other; the republican idiot won. Most ppl where I live would agree that the US is better off w/Bush than Gore. There are exceptions of course.

And 9/11 was CLINTON'S FAULT!!! I forget exactly how it is, but I think it had something to do with him not making sure Saddam and Iraq kept their garddang arses away from nukes and chems.

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People are too quick to lay blame, and claim that either they did all they could (which they obviously didn't), or would have done far better (which they never did when they could have). I find neither side in this little partisan political squabble credible enough to believe.

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[This message has been edited by Bounty Hunter 4 hire (edited April 14, 2004).]

What utter tripe.

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How could he not be? If it was up to me, i'd have a meeting with him. behind the sauna. with a koivuklapi in hand. Like in the good old days.




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I think the rest of the world, yourself included, has forgotten what it's like to have a leader who believes in what is right and is willing to do what is necessary in pursuit of it.

Bush rightly realizes that Muslim nations need to transform into pluralistic democracies with free-market economies, because as liberals rightly point out, the real root of terrorism is not Islam, or anti-American sentiment, but terrible economic conditions and no political recourse. For all this talk about salvation and 72 virgins, Muslims and Arabs really want the same thing as the rest of us - a comfortable life and a means to provide for their families. No man thinks about salvation all the time.

See the polls taken in the Arab world that fins a greater distaste for autocracy than in the West. See the overriding belief among Muslims that Islam and democracy are compatible. See the numerous petitions and protests, from Morocco to Saudi Arabia, demanding economic and political reform.

It is both a moral and practical imperative for the US to encourage the spread of democracy and capitalism around the world, just as it was during the Cold War. People complain that we don't take on the Mugabes and Burmese Juntas of the world - we'd certainly love to, but we can't (although I suspect that would only draw more accusations that we're imperialists). They don't pose a threat to us, and like any nation, the first and foremost priority of our foreign policy is to protect our interests.

So, in sum, Bush is not insane. In fact, he is completely, 100% right on in his quest to encourage democratic reform in the Middle East, both because it is right and because it is necessary.

Does that answer your question?



I'd rather be insane than spineless.

[This message has been edited by Sine Nomen (edited April 15, 2004).]

I love it when Sine posts my sentiments.

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My thoughts exactly. I don't know why I bother posting anymore.

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Really? Then the following people are insane:
Forsakahn (1)
sugarless5 (1)
phoenix_9286 (1)
Thrawn42689 (2)
nottheking (3)
Wookie06 (1)
CaptBewil (1)
Darth Slaw (1)
oSiRiS (1)
Outlaw Torn (1)
And me

There. That's the first person of every group of 3 that posted in this thread (some got hit multiple times). So far, I'm in a group by myself.



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