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Is Bush Insane?

2004-04-15, 7:32 AM #41

Dormouse

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Ran into this this morning, while it's certainly not perefect or all-explanatory or justifiable or whatever, it certainly is an interesting perspective on Bush:

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The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost; an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost; an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Come on!

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

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2004-04-15, 7:50 AM #42

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2004-04-15, 8:36 AM #43

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FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

... Uh, not to nitpick, but Germany kinda did declare war on us..

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2004-04-15, 8:39 AM #44

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After we declared war on japan, right?

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2004-04-15, 8:42 AM #45

Sine Nomen

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I'm..god, maybe I'm remembering this wrong - but I think - *think* Japan attacked us. Can a student of history verify this for me?

2004-04-15, 9:28 AM #46

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2004-04-15, 10:22 AM #47

Kieran Horn

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And 9/11 was CLINTON'S FAULT!!! I forget exactly how it is, but I think it had something to do with him not making sure Saddam and Iraq kept their garddang arses away from nukes and chems.

dude.....pass me some of those 'shrooms. If they can make you think Saddam and 9/11 are related, that must be some good stuff you have.

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I'd rather be insane than spineless.

That goes to the sig.

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FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Which is a good thing FDR led us into WWII agianst the Nazi's. He was just looking for an excuse and Pearl Harbor was it.

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From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.

The US lost 407,318 soldiers to battle deaths and other causes from the War. Not only is that the lowest death count of all the major countries and some minor countries, but we had a military of 16 million. That is a damn good ratio.

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2004-04-15, 11:02 AM #48

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Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Slaw:

And 9/11 was CLINTON'S FAULT!!! I forget exactly how it is, but I think it had something to do with him not making sure Saddam and Iraq kept their garddang arses away from nukes and chems.

Uhh... I seriously hope that was sarcastic. Otherwise, you now have the credibility of a cucumber.

For starters, 9/11 had nothing at all to do with NUKES or CHEMS! Planes got hijacked and flown into buildings. DUH!

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2004-04-15, 11:07 AM #49

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Originally posted by Wuss:
Should we have to do everything for you, Sine?

Sine was being sarcastic, no need for you to be an arse about it.

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2004-04-15, 11:16 AM #50

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some guyOne liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.

Damn Liberals!!!

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FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Hey let's be dumb and forget that Japan and Germany WERE ON THE SAME SIDE.

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From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.[/b]

and about 0.27% of the population

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Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

Who cares if they're having a genocide. They're not genociding us!

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He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Dan Rather had the same chance when he interviewed Saddam. Kill him!

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In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, blah blah, I'm dumb...

The guys got a point here. We don't hate Bush, we just think he looks funny.

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It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

These were actually funny [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

I laughed.

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I is a stupid conservative with a gun, so don't mess. USA! USA!

Can't argue with that.

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2004-04-15, 11:28 AM #51

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Eh.. God.. I know you are high and mighty and stuff.. but.. In the word quote.. "U" comes BEFORE "O"

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2004-04-15, 11:30 AM #52

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since when?!

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2004-04-15, 11:55 AM #53

Wuss

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Originally posted by fishstickz:
Sine was being sarcastic, no need for you to be an arse about it.

Uh... Are you being serious or just playing along with the joke? [http://forums.massassi.net/html/tongue.gif]

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2004-04-15, 3:12 PM #54

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ABOUT the comment I made about Clinton being the cause of 9/11:
I forgot exactly how we came to this conclusion, but some of my friends and I were discussing Bush, Clinton, and Gore and, somehow, we decided that Clinton was more to blame for 9/11 than Bush. Unfortunately, I forgot every aspect of that conversation (sorry Kieran Horn). [http://forums.massassi.net/html/frown.gif]

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It was so frigging hilarious a talk too. And since I forgot everything about the talk, that means I was probably wrong when I said it involved Saddam.

But here's something else I came up with...
Interesting how both Daddy Bush and Kiddy Bush BOTH went to war with Iraq when president.

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2004-04-15, 3:30 PM #55

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Originally posted by -God-:

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Damn Liberals!!!

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FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Hey let's be dumb and forget that Japan and Germany WERE ON THE SAME SIDE.

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From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.[/b]

and about 0.27% of the population

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Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

Who cares if they're having a genocide. They're not genociding us!

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He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Dan Rather had the same chance when he interviewed Saddam. Kill him!

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In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, blah blah, I'm dumb...

The guys got a point here. We don't hate Bush, we just think he looks funny.

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It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.

These were actually funny [http://forums.massassi.net/html/smile.gif]

I laughed.

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I is a stupid conservative with a gun, so don't mess. USA! USA!

Can't argue with that.

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Originally posted by Kieran Horn:

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FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Which is a good thing FDR led us into WWII agianst the Nazi's. He was just looking for an excuse and Pearl Harbor was it.

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From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.

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None of these replies address the point being made. Please try harder. Also, I'd like to note that Germany and Japan "being on the same side" had little to do with it. The fact is, war between the States and Germany had been brewing for some time. Pearl Harbor was the proverbial straw on the camel's back.

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2004-04-15, 5:06 PM #56

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osiris, I wasn't addressing his point, I was just doing commentary.

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2004-04-15, 5:20 PM #57

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Anyone ever notice both Brad and Sine go nutz over Bush debates... maybe their spys from the white house... *shifts eyes*

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Just kidding guys.

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2004-04-15, 5:32 PM #58

Axle

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Quote:

Originally posted by Demon_Nightmare:
Did the entire state of Japan hold the flame to their leader asking for an apology for letting Hiroshima and Nagasaki happening?

Did the world hold the torch to Jewish leaders to apologize for allowing the Holocaust to happen to their people?

I know these are extreme examples, but so is feeling that Bush should apologize for 9/11. If you feel that, you really are ignorant to the facts...

Sure Bush had some faults in letting 9/11 happen, but don't think previous presidents and administrations couldn't have helped prevent either. Its just stupid...

Well... The people of Japan at the time worshipped their leader as a god...

Why would the world care what Jewish leaders did or didnot do with regards to the Jews? Your analogy would probably be better with "world" replaced with "the Jews." And, for your information, Jewish leaders in America were a pretty powerless minority. If you didn't already know this, they learned about what was happening in Germany, and immediately petitioned the American government to do something about it, as they were pretty powerless to stop what was going on in Germany. I even recall seeing video footage of Jewish rabbis standing on the steps of the whitehouse imploring FDR to do something about the "problem." So that's not such a great analogy after all, considering that Jewish leaders knew almost as soon as our own intelligence what was going on in Germany, and did everything in their power to try and stop it...

So, if people could answer a couple questions for me... What did George W Bush do to combat terrorism before 9/11? Anything specific? How was the handoff of intel and directives from the Clinton Presidency handled?

Personally, I agree with Demon_Nightmare. Without knowing anything about counterterrorist measures before 9/11, I really don't see a need for any sort of apology from President Bush. But, if he did recieve information that made it imperitive that he act, and he chose not too because he wanted to distance himself from Clinton, then that is a breach of security, by letting politics get in the way of "National Security."

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2004-04-15, 6:30 PM #59

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Here's what I don't get:

How could we have ever shaved ourselves from terrorists if we weren't on war footing? I mean, really, it's not like we have intellegence agencies that *often* are correct in what they know! Or even that we should have always been vigilant! Come on, they were at war with us, but we weren't even on war footing!!

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2004-04-15, 6:41 PM #60

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wookie06:
Sometimes? The only thing Kerry is consistent on is high taxes. And, what is Bush supposed to be admitting he is wrong about?

I wasn't referring to Bush or Kerry personally. I was merely pointing out that stubborness isn't usually a virtue.

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2004-04-15, 6:56 PM #61

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That has to be the most ridiculous hogwash ever. First of all, you cannot compare a total war (such as World War II) which occured 60 years ago to a modern war which involved a coalition of nations invading an occupying a country. I don't even need to say how vital a role technologies have played in the number of casualties, and there's a reason why the writer of this article doesn't compare the numbers of deaths in bosnia to the number of deaths in Iraq. Secondly, after each war, the writer says "So-and-so never attacked us!" Well neither did Iraq. To say that Iraq attacked us durring September 11th would be like saying that durring the Revolutionary War, all of Europe attacked us.

Third, and most importantly, this article seems to think that a deathcount justifies the integrity of a president. We don't vote for to run other countries. We vote for presidents to run our country. What this article doesn't mention is how FDR singlehandedly got us out of the depression. It overlooks how Kennedy evaded the cuban missle crisis (which would have most likely ignited the cold war), started the peace corps (as well as a variety of powerful American organizations). It fails to suggest that under Clinton our economy prospered, and our government had a surplus.

It also fails to suggest that under George W. Bush, many of our organizations have disintigrated, many basic constitutional rights are infringed by the constitution, and we have a 7 trillion dollar debt. I can understand that the republican theory of cutting spending and cutting taxes is one way to improve the economy, but Bush cut taxes and raised spending, and thats just retarted. Worst president ever? Probably not, but one must question whether it was right for America to invade Iraq.

I personally beileve it was not right, but now that it has begun I see it imperative that we don't screw up.

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2004-04-16, 12:21 AM #62

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I hate Bush, his speech was on during 24 so I have to wait until next week to see the next episode.
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2004-04-16, 5:13 AM #63

Raoul Duke

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Quote:

Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
I hate Bush, his speech was on during 24 so I have to wait until next week to see the next episode.
:-(

Sadly, that is probably the main reason most people hate him.

2004-04-16, 5:22 AM #64

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Posted by -God-

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From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost; an average of 112,500 per year.[/b]

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and about 0.27% of the population

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Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.
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Who cares if they're having a genocide. They're not genociding us!

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2004-04-16, 5:30 AM #65

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Bush, in my opinion is not insane. He is not the worst president in history - Hayes bought his way into office by removing the Union army from the South, which was the only thing that secured the rights of recently-emancipated black people, to name one example.

Bush, in my opinion, did the right thing by toppling Saddam and the Taliban. He's done a number of good things against terrorism, not to mention things like his AIDS support for Africa, which seems to have been lost in the hogwash of the media.

That said, I don't like him for a number of reasons: $1.5 billion marriage bill, support of security legislature that infringes upon the constitution, and his general incompetence with regard to economics, and John Ashcroft. This is why I won't be voting for him.

In addition, I won't be voting for Kerry. I don't like him, either - for one thing, he seems far too happy to use Bush as a scapegoat for the economy and ride that popular wave with the anti-Bush crowd.

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2004-04-16, 1:36 PM #66

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I agree with Eversor. Looking at only one side of president is a stupid way to judge whether or not they were a good president. People would have you believe that Woodrow Wilson was a great president. And sure, his idea for a League of Nations was a head of its time, but in only looking at that, you fail to point out the fact that he was probably our most racist President. He wrote a two book history on Reconstruction, and claimed that the end of Reconstruction was great because it removed stupid, incompetent blacks from Southern Government. It would also fail to point out the fact that he had a very messed up foreign policy, one that was very imperialistic. During his presidency, we invaded several Latin American countries, set up Dictators and suppressed popular votes in those countries.

So, looking at Bush from a purely war standard is idiotic and is not looking at the big picture.

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2004-04-17, 10:59 PM #67

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Quote:

Originally posted by Wolfy:
Bush, in my opinion, did the right thing by toppling Saddam and the Taliban. He's done a number of good things against terrorism, not to mention things like his AIDS support for Africa, which seems to have been lost in the hogwash of the media.

In addition, I won't be voting for Kerry. I don't like him, either - for one thing, he seems far too happy to use Bush as a scapegoat for the economy and ride that popular wave with the anti-Bush crowd.

Agreed on in all points (edited Wolfy's quote to the things I agree with). I'm not really sure who to vote for. Kerry does seem to be on the "It's all Bush's fault" kick.

However, on a pro-Bush note, I really respect him for standing up for morality. There has been a lot of moral decline in this country. Gays/Lesbian relationships being one thing. Now I will say that I don't want this topic to change to the Gay Marriage banning, but rather that I look at Bush and see him as doing what he thinks is right. Sure I'm a Republican, but I have respect for some Democratic views. Even so, I doubt your run of the mill Democrat would have quoted the Bible at the speech of the downed space shuttle, called for a national day of prayer the friday after 9/11, etc. (I should say though, I don't hate Democrats. I know that there's good men in all walks of life. I just tend to lean more Republican because I'm more conservative)

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2004-04-18, 3:39 AM #68

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I think the entire human race is insane. We all deserve to die.

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2004-04-18, 6:20 AM #69

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2004-04-18, 6:35 AM #70

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Quote:

Originally posted by Mort-Hog:
I hate Bush, his speech was on during 24 so I have to wait until next week to see the next episode.
:-(

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2004-04-18, 8:27 AM #71

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Quote:

Originally posted by Eversor:
What this article doesn't mention is how FDR singlehandedly got us out of the depression.

It's sad that when you hear someone say that, there is probably a 95% chance that they went to a public school.

If you seriously think FDR got us out of the depression, you're wrong. Look at the facts, and you will see that he only made it worse. FDR and his staff totally had cause and effect reversed. They believed that the Depression kept on going becasue prices were falling. So, they thought up a bunch of their crap-for-brains New Deal programs and then they raised prices by making artificial shortages.

With his stupid Agriculture Act, he controlled farming products, restricted marketing agreements. He did that so he could RAISE prices for all farmers so they were all somewhat even. So, in the end, he made food more expensive for families who already couldn't afford food at the lower prices.

His NIRA act (National Industry Recovery Act) made it more expensive for companies to hire workers. The National Labor Relations Act gave unions pretty much a monopoly, and they ended up raising their prices. His New Deal programs ended up tripling all kinds of taxes.

And then of course, social security. I think everyone knows what that is, and why it's bad, so I wont' even get started.

*End Rant*. There, if you think FDR saved us, you have been royally misinformed. He had no more understanding of economics than Hoover had.

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2004-04-18, 8:56 AM #72

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Why is social security bad? I can see whats wrong from the government FORCING you to do it, but its a pretty good program IMO

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2004-04-18, 9:49 AM #73

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Ok. So, I'm gonna make a couple of my points.

You gotta remember how insanely biased the news is. Obviously, we are not recieving the full story (or the correct story) from most of our public news. So that is why when people say that "The Iraqi people are hating us more and more each day." And saying that /all/ the iraqis are hating us, is just pure and simple bull. WAY more of the Iraqis are glad that we're there and fighting these junk-for-brains. But happy people, just aren't exciting, are they?. No. The bad stuff grabs attention, and sells newspapers, and gets people to watch the news. So that's what they broadcast. You gotta remember: NEWS is a BUSINESS!

And oh yeah, Kerry is a scary idea. He wants to give our army to the UN. That's scary crap. You all realize that this man was at the for-front of the hippies at one point and a major pot-head? You know, running around sporting the footprint of the American chicken (the peace-sign, for those of you who don't know). And yeah, I agree, though Kerry is not /all/ bad, playing the blame-game as he does, is very bad form. I have more reasons for hating Kerry, which I may post later, but all in in all, the idea of him as president scares the crap out of me. Think about what would happen if we were attacked:

Kerry: "Now now, let's just talk this over."
Enemy: "Fire the missiles!"
Kerry: "If we just talk, it will be ok!"
American people: "We're dying because we're being bombed and our president does nothing to protect us! His defensive strategy is to smoke pot all day and hope it gets better!
Kerry: This reminds me of 'nam! *Takes a hit*

Cheers,
Hamhog

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Don't knock on deaths door. Ring the doorbell and run away; he hates that.
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A severd foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer.
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Procrastinators unite!
....Tomorrow!

2004-04-18, 9:51 AM #74

Bounty Hunter 4 hire

Thinks we have dignity.

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Fishstickz:
Why is social security bad? I can see whats wrong from the government FORCING you to do it, but its a pretty good program IMO

Most people have the problem with how SS was designed so that this generation of workers' FICA deductions pays for the SS of the retired generation of workers.

The "Baby Bust" generation will soon have to pay for the retirement of the "Baby Boom" generation, and mind you people are living far longer.

The ratio between the two generations is so uneven that many feel there is no way the system can sustain itself when the mass-retirement occurs. They would either have to screw the retirees, in this age of rising medical costs, or screw the workers with greater FICA taxes.

Or we could embrace euthenasia or something...

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[This message has been edited by Bounty Hunter 4 hire (edited April 18, 2004).]

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