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Half Life 2 demo
2004-12-23, 9:14 AM #41
Quote:
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
reading Wolfy's sentence I can clearly understand whatever his friend played is part of the leaked version.
I can 100% gaurantee it since there arn't any extra HL2DM maps and to convert a HL2 map you'd have to have the source (leaked) or start from scratch (unlikely)


Not to my knowledge. It'd also be horribly, horribly hypocritical for me to play a leaked version of HL2. I'm fairly certain that it's either in one of the map packs I downloaded or in the game itself, as I did not have to download the map from my friend's computer, and I am running a wholly legal copy of HL2.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2004-12-23, 11:05 AM #42
I played it and it's awsome, so I think I'll buy the game.
2004-12-23, 12:41 PM #43
Spend hours downloading or wait until Saturday?

I'll wait.
Hey, Blue? I'm loving the things you do. From the very first time, the fight you fight for will always be mine.
2004-12-23, 12:58 PM #44
Steam likes me, at any rate. I had no trouble whatsoever getting the demo.
DO NOT WANT.
2004-12-23, 1:58 PM #45
Me either steam worked absolutely perfectly... I don't get what people are talking about.
2004-12-23, 9:16 PM #46
I guess some people just dont like the idea of being required to have a program that gives them "permission" to play the video games that they payed for. So they make it sound like the most evil thing ever.
"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."
2004-12-23, 9:32 PM #47
It's not Steam that bothers us--it's the precedent. Personally, I don't mind Steam itself, but if all companies switched to a system like it, I'd probably do a lot less gaming. Why? Because I like to be ABLE to have a hard copy in my hands, if I want it, and know that I can install it on an offline computer and play it just fine any time of any year. But I can't do that with HL2. Though it doesn't bother me so much since I don't really like the game anyways. It has issues with running on high settings with AA and AF, and it doesn't look so great, so I refuse to play it. Doesn't bother me so much since I only got it for mods anyways.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 9:56 PM #48
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi (About Half Life 2)
it doesn't look so great


Read that ten times and see if your brain doesn't explode.
>>untie shoes
2004-12-23, 10:13 PM #49
Yeah, no. It has good looking faces, and a few high res textures. After that, it's just not that great.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 10:22 PM #50
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
.... and know that I can install it on an offline computer and play it just fine any time of any year. But I can't do that with HL2.

you technically CAN play the game w/o steam, but the suits over at valve just don't want you to.
2004-12-23, 10:43 PM #51
HL2 looked pretty nice on my system, whereas doom3 looked great. But hl2 ran and an extra 12+fps. I bet HL2 with a dx9 card and more ram would look a ton better, whereas doom3 only looks subtly different. Hmm

Demo was fun, I think I'll go through it again on hard.
</sarcasm>
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2004-12-23, 10:47 PM #52
about the hard copy thing, noone says you need to buy the game over steam. which would you prefer, a game that is chock-a-block full of hackers with no way to even slow them down by making servers where they are banned, or by having it installed on your online computer (why anyone would have a different computer than their gaming one to use the internet on is beond me) and waiting a short time to play a game where it is easy to track down those who make the game annoying by hacking.

[/rant]
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2004-12-23, 10:53 PM #53
Quote:
Originally posted by Bill
Read that ten times and see if your brain doesn't explode.


I read it 20 for good measure. My brain has not exploded.
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Last Stand
2004-12-23, 10:56 PM #54
Quote:
Originally posted by alpha1
about the hard copy thing, noone says you need to buy the game over steam. which would you prefer, a game that is chock-a-block full of hackers with no way to even slow them down by making servers where they are banned, or by having it installed on your online computer (why anyone would have a different computer than their gaming one to use the internet on is beond me) and waiting a short time to play a game where it is easy to track down those who make the game annoying by hacking.

[/rant]


It might just be the hour, but please tell me I'm not the only one having a hard time figureing out what he's saying here.
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
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Last Stand
2004-12-23, 10:59 PM #55
Other than the fact that you can't play the disc version unless you activate it online either, yeah, alpha, you may have had a point.

So in other words, you have no point.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:01 PM #56
On the box. It says.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED!

Stop *****ing!
>>untie shoes
2004-12-23, 11:05 PM #57
Quote:
Originally posted by Bill
On the box. It says.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED!

Stop *****ing!

The point isn't that it doesn't let you know, the point is that ... Say I install this at my grandparents house when I go over there for an extended time (2+ weeks) during the winter. They don't have internet, but have a nice pc because my grandma is one of those "it costs alot so I have to buy it" people. The fact is that I can't play this there, at all. It's a convenience issue.

Will that probably ever happen? No. Do I care? No, steam has always worked fine for me and even saved me from having to buy HL again.
</sarcasm>
<Anovis> mmmm I wanna lick your wet, Mentis.
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2004-12-23, 11:05 PM #58
Quote:
Originally posted by Bill
On the box. It says.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED!

Stop *****ing!


I know what it says. I'm not *****ing that I didn't know it required the internet (not to mention I bought it through steam), I'm just saying, I don't like a future where all your games require the internet. Sometimes you just want to turn off the internet and play a game. Just ask Yecti--I'm sure he can tell you why/if he doesn't agree with it.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:11 PM #59
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Other than the fact that you can't play the disc version unless you activate it online either


again, you don't have to do that either, although you are supposed to. There are offline activation cracks, which I would expect to become standard if steam is ever discontinued.

You can even extract the game from the preload by using a GCF extractor, if i heard correctly.
2004-12-23, 11:13 PM #60
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Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS
you technically CAN play the game w/o steam, but the suits over at valve just don't want you to.


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2004-12-23, 11:14 PM #61
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
I know what it says. I'm not *****ing that I didn't know it required the internet (not to mention I bought it through steam), I'm just saying, I don't like a future where all your games require the internet. Sometimes you just want to turn off the internet and play a game. Just ask Yecti--I'm sure he can tell you why/if he doesn't agree with it.


Developer creates game with requirements not all people can meet, news at 11.

Oh wow. I didn't realize that quote was as stupid as I thought it was. I bet you don't even know that the game can be run without being online but the first time during activation.
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2004-12-23, 11:17 PM #62
Quote:
Originally posted by Farix
Developer creates game with requirements not all people can meet, news at 11.


HAY LOOK I CAN BE SARCASTIC TOO

It still doesn't help your case any--there's a difference between good and bad requirements.

Requiring the minimum to run a game at lowest details on a system--good!

Requiring some arbitrary internet connection to play a Singleplayer game is BAD.

Once again--I don't mind it so much through steam, but if it becomes widely popular, it'll begin to irk me into action.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:19 PM #63
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Requiring some arbitrary internet connection to play a Singleplayer game is BAD.


Yeah, like I said, the game can be played in offline mode too.

Unless you mean multiplayer.
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2004-12-23, 11:21 PM #64
No, it can be played in offline mode, AFTER you've connected to the internet to verify that it's your copy. But who knows if the internet in its current form will exist in 5 years?
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:22 PM #65
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Requiring some arbitrary internet connection to play a Singleplayer game is BAD.


My internet was down. Steam asked me, "Would you like to try to reconnect, or play in Offline Mode?" I clicked Offline Mode. It "logged" me into Steam, and all my games popped up, ready and willing.

Quote:
But who knows if the internet in its current form will exist in 5 years?


...might as well argue, "But who knows if computers will still run on the same machine language in 5 years?"
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2004-12-23, 11:25 PM #66
The only reason I argue that point is because the Internet is really really slow compared to other, faster, more efficient networks being tested out there. They're trying to find a way to replace it in its current format is all.

And like I said, you only have to play once in online mode, but still
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:27 PM #67
As if the internet is going anywhere? What are you trying to say anyway? It says on the box that an internet connection is required. Anyone who buys any game without reading the system requirements deserves thier just desserts.

And if the whole anti-piracy measure seems to bug you then you should really brace yourself for the cold hard truth. Valve did first what I was expecting the game industry to have done a year and a half ago. I can't even believe so many people lack the foresight to see that this is exactly where games were going. Either they validate copys over the internet or they develop strictly for consoles.

Take your pick, I choose to validate.
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2004-12-23, 11:27 PM #68
But still what?
If you do not have the internet, HL2 is not for you .
2004-12-23, 11:29 PM #69
Quote:
Originally posted by Farix
As if the internet is going anywhere? What are you trying to say anyway? It says on the box that an internet connection is required. Anyone who buys any game without reading the system requirements deserves thier just desserts.

And if the whole anti-piracy measure seems to bug you then you should really brace yourself for the cold hard truth. Valve did first what I was expecting the game industry to have done a year and a half ago. I can't even believe so many people lack the foresight to see that this is exactly where games were going. Either they validate copys over the internet or they develop strictly for consoles.

Take your pick, I choose to validate.


Hey, smart one, why isn't there an option to phone in and read off your CD-Key and have them give you an activation key? Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:31 PM #70
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Hey, smart one, why isn't there an option to phone in and read off your CD-Key and have them give you an activation key? Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard.


That would require staff, smart one.
2004-12-23, 11:32 PM #71
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Hey, smart one, why isn't there an option to phone in and read off your CD-Key and have them give you an activation key? Seriously, it wouldn't be that hard.


Or you could just buy the game. A solid majority of the people complaining on the internet about HL2's validation process already have access to the internet.
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2004-12-23, 11:35 PM #72
Quote:
Originally posted by Farix
Or you could just buy the game. A solid majority of the people complaining on the internet about HL2's validation process already have access to the internet.


I have the game. Thanks for paying attention, you get a gold star for the day.

Mikus--oh right, all they have is Mr. krispykremez :\
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:38 PM #73
It's an unnecessary financial burden Yoshi, why should they devote staff to doing something that a machine can do? The industrial revolution was 200 years ago.
2004-12-23, 11:40 PM #74
They could code a voicerecognition thing which could do it for them.
D E A T H
2004-12-23, 11:40 PM #75
There is this little thing called AUTOMATION.

There isn't any reason they can't have a recording take your CD key that you punch in on your touch tone phone. And if you don't have one of those, you're an idiot and can get one at Wal*Mart CHEAP.

There are quite a few different ways to validate software.
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams
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Last Stand
2004-12-23, 11:47 PM #76
The most efficient being the system that they chose, I'm sure they thought of telephone and rejected it for one reason or another.
2004-12-24, 12:30 AM #77
Quote:
Originally posted by Mikus
The most efficient being the system that they chose, I'm sure they thought of telephone and rejected it for one reason or another.


Maybe because of the countless numbers of 100+ dollar software packages that use telephone registration that are pirated regularly? Telephone registration is too easy to bypass. Hell a majority of regular power users thought they had easily gotten around valve's validation until valve shot them down.

Telephone registration is definitely neither secure or useful. It's easier to take a minute to let some software validate itself over the internet than to spend 15 minutes trying to reach and make use of a telephone registration system.

Not to mention the countless tech support they would have to make up for because a bunch of morons got thier registration info wrong and permanently locked themselves out of thier own game.

Any more bright ideas from the galley?
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On my desk I have a workstation...
2004-12-24, 12:36 AM #78
Would 28k Internet allow me to play Hl2? The whole validation thing. Does it need much of a connection?
2004-12-24, 2:57 PM #79
Quote:
Originally posted by Farix
Maybe because of the countless numbers of 100+ dollar software packages that use telephone registration that are pirated regularly? Telephone registration is too easy to bypass. Hell a majority of regular power users thought they had easily gotten around valve's validation until valve shot them down.

Telephone registration is definitely neither secure or useful. It's easier to take a minute to let some software validate itself over the internet than to spend 15 minutes trying to reach and make use of a telephone registration system.

Not to mention the countless tech support they would have to make up for because a bunch of morons got thier registration info wrong and permanently locked themselves out of thier own game.

Any more bright ideas from the galley?


Overlord--validation just needs an internet connection. Hell it could be 400 baud for all they care ;) You'll be able to play just fine.

Name one piece of software that uses telephone registration, instead of just saying "Oh yeah, tons fo people use it and it suxx0rz". Not to mention--I know plenty of people who couldn't play HL2 until winter break because they couldn't get to steam through their college network. Wow, that makes sense Valve.

And 15 minutes? Call a number, input your serial, wait for serial output, wow, looks like it's gonna take oh so very long...or not.

So in closing--back up your claims or shut up.
D E A T H
2004-12-24, 3:06 PM #80
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Name one piece of software that uses telephone registration


You do it.

Because I sure can't. And perhaps the reason no-one does is because it isn't a good idea.
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