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Half Life 2, flawless?
2004-12-22, 8:22 AM #1
No.

http://www.nofrag.com/fichiers/halflife2/videos/938/

Its not the best game ever, it didn't deserve all those 10/10's, its not perfect, the AI is not smart, the hitboxes are crap, etc
Don't get me wrong, I do beleive its the best game of the year and I enjoyed it. HL2 was an awesome game.

Regarldess, that video definitely made me laugh.
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2004-12-22, 8:47 AM #2
Yeah, I didn't think the AI was too impressive either, but they pulled a great "illusion" to make it seem good, what with the radio chatter, realistic troop movement, etc. It also seems that the hitbox issue is only a problem with the one weapon - but then again valve never has been the best with hitboxes. If AI and hitboxes are the only flaws that can be found in this close analysis, then IMHO it's still the best game.
2004-12-22, 9:01 AM #3
Heh, first time I used the crossbow, I headshotted the sniper on the billboard and laughed my Massassi off when everything but the sniper fell to the ground. It became my favorite gun, induces for many a splitting headache...

It's not perfect, but it's quite fun to play.
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2004-12-22, 9:16 AM #4
Seems to me like NoFrag is kind of just being nit-picky.

Sure it got a crap load of 10/10s, but that doesn't mean the game still doesn't have it's flaws.

10/10 (to me anyway) doesn't mean a game is perfect in absolutely every aspect, just that it plays incredibly well, has great sound effects and music, and looks great too.

It's for this reason I think the 10-point rating system is slightly flawed...

I've yet to see a rating system that actually has certain criteria that has to be met to get a certain score in a certain aspect... it all seems way to... "OMG I LOVE THIS SO I'LL GIVE IT A 10!" or "OMG L1K3 THIS GAME IS TEH SUXORZ, I'LL GIVE IT A 1" or even "OMG THE GAME IS UNBELIEVABLE, BUT IT'S GRAPHICS AREN'T QUIT PERFECT, SO I'LL GIVE IT A 9.5"

That's how all the reviewing systems seem to me. I think it should be based entirely on specific things, and rated from there,

I think there should be a 100 total point system for a game, and the more important aspects of the game should have more strict criteria, and have a higher total number of possible points. This, for me anyway, would take away the apparent bias some reviewers seem to have, so long as they use the right criteria anyway.

If I had the resources and such I'd attempt to try and do it myself, but I really don't... although I could just do it based on the games I've already got, and see where it grows from there (and otherwise just rent games to review.... but eh)

Sorry for the long post, and didn't mean to go off topic.
2004-12-22, 9:20 AM #5
Hmm. Interesting. Wonder why the pill bottle only worked when the player used it to block the Combine soldier from his view.

Quote:
Originally posted by Deadman
Its not the best game ever...


Of the games that have come out, I'd say so.
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2004-12-22, 9:21 AM #6
Thats a good conclusion Connection Problem.

FCTuner04, they were'nt really being picky, just trying to dismiss the well established rumors of perfect ai and similar.
Even they say its still a great game. Which it is.
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2004-12-22, 10:01 AM #7
Quote:
Originally posted by Wolfy


Of the games that have come out, I'd say so.


Painkiller > * (Gameplay wise at least for these next gen games)
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2004-12-22, 10:10 AM #8
So they found and exploited a few bugs in the code... do they really think that means anything? As for the "You could make the same video with any average FPS" I would say, you could probably make a MUCH LONGER video with any average FPS..."
2004-12-22, 10:16 AM #9
Quote:
Originally posted by Glyde Bane
Painkiller > * (Gameplay wise at least for these next gen games)


I disagree. Painkiller is a prettier version of Serious Sam witha stakegun. The demo, while enjoyable, left me feeling bored.
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2004-12-22, 10:40 AM #10
I got bored with HL2 halfway through the buggy incident. I still maintain that Deus Ex is the most fun, varied, awesome game to exist TO THIS DAY. Why? Because it's one of the few games I didn't get bored of and quit in the middle.

Not to mention the low res textures bug the crap outta me. Here you have one of the most powerful engines to this day, making some of the most realistic faces and textures, and you still can't get it to texture a wall, or a railing, or a gun well at all? To me, that's a "way to drop the ball, valve"
D E A T H
2004-12-22, 10:47 AM #11
That video didn't show me anything I didn't know already.

Do I know there are hitbox problems: Yes.
Do I know the AI has some trouble: Yes.
Do I know there are some physics porblems (even though they failed to mention those): Yes.

Do I still think HL2 deserved all those 10/10's: Yes.
Why? Because it created a single, cohesive experience and was a lot more fun than almost any other game to come out this year.
2004-12-22, 10:58 AM #12
Quote:
Originally posted by Wolfy
I disagree. Painkiller is a prettier version of Serious Sam witha stakegun. The demo, while enjoyable, left me feeling bored.


Serious sam didn't have a lightning gun, weedwhacker, flamethrower, freeze gun or shurikan launchers. The only gun it did have that painkiller also has is a machine gun, rocket launcher and shotgun.

And I agree, it IS a prettier serious sam.

Serious Sam > all but painkiller

:D

EDIT: Forgot Deus Ex. It's the best game in the world. Period. It's so grand I can't even compare it to anything else.
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2004-12-22, 10:58 AM #13
HL2DM > *

Just because it's that much more fun to kill with a sink.
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2004-12-22, 11:17 AM #14
If Painkiller had 2 player co-op, I would rate it higher then Serious Sam, but it doesn't, so I don't.

If there is a god and he loves me, he'll make a co-op mod for Painkiller.
You heard me god, now get to work.
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2004-12-22, 11:45 AM #15
starcraft > *
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2004-12-22, 12:03 PM #16
Serious Sam destroys Painkiller
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2004-12-22, 12:17 PM #17
Starcraft was good. is good.
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2004-12-22, 1:13 PM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by Wolfy
I disagree. Painkiller is a prettier version of Serious Sam witha stakegun. The demo, while enjoyable, left me feeling bored.


There was a time, when I enjoyed the pointless slaughter of various enemies in a game. Now I don't. That said, Painkiller was completely boreing to me. The only thing I liked about it was the environments.
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2004-12-22, 1:17 PM #19
Painkiller kicked ***.

I also really enjoyed Far Cry, but it seems to have been all but forgotten...
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2004-12-22, 1:17 PM #20
Quote:
Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
I got bored with HL2 halfway through the buggy incident.


Same. I got sick of the vehicle levels almost immediately.
2004-12-22, 1:26 PM #21
Quote:
Originally posted by Jazzkokehead
Painkiller kicked ***.


Running around in circles trying to kill everything in sight, or trying to kill all of the bosses so that the other baddies will quit respawning so you can then kill all of them, is NOT my idea of a good time in a single player game. Shooting people with the Stake Gun was only so much fun for so long. Then even that was boreing.

Seriously, I had fun for the first 20 minutes I played. Then when I found out what was going on, I became bored almost immediately.
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2004-12-22, 1:28 PM #22
Quote:
Originally posted by Flexor
starcraft > *


You speak the truth... StarCraft is still running strong after so many years while others games made at exactly the same time have gone the way of the dino.
2004-12-22, 2:24 PM #23
I never got what everyone liked so much about Deus Ex. The twenty minutes that I managed to go without dying seemed pretty boring to me.

As for HL2, it's not perfect, not by any means, but it's still a great game. I'm still trying to figure out whatever happened to the part on the boat though...

And I've never played Starcraft.
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2004-12-22, 2:32 PM #24
Quote:
Originally posted by MechWarrior
You speak the truth... StarCraft is still running strong after so many years while others games made at exactly the same time have gone the way of the dino.

You can find dinosaurs in the bargain bin?

/me rushes off to CompUSA
2004-12-22, 3:14 PM #25
The thing that irked me about HL2 was the lack of interesting AI. I think I'm spoiled on Farcry, because if every game had facry's enemies, it'd own. In-fact, I'd say that farcry and HL2 are 2 of the best games of the year. Sadly, both of their DMs sucked like cazor. We need better MP games now-a-days.

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2004-12-22, 3:28 PM #26
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Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
You can find dinosaurs in the bargain bin?

/me rushes off to CompUSA


You bet. Starcraft is always on sale. You can either get the battlechest that includes the game and its expansion pack or get the best seller edition which is just the original game for 10 bucks. I'm getting Starcraft for christmas and it didn't cost my mother a single dime because it came free with WoW through a holiday coupon :D
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2004-12-22, 3:53 PM #27
Quote:
Originally posted by kyle90
I never got what everyone liked so much about Deus Ex. The twenty minutes that I managed to go without dying seemed pretty boring to me.

As for HL2, it's not perfect, not by any means, but it's still a great game. I'm still trying to figure out whatever happened to the part on the boat though...

And I've never played Starcraft.


Deus Ex takes time, most definitely, at least a few hours of dedication. Once things start rolling though, it's amazing. The customization is <3, the story is <3 <3, and the graphics, while dated, give the PERFECT atmosphere for the game.

Much goodness.
D E A T H
2004-12-22, 3:56 PM #28
I never got into Deus Ex, but after everyone here was so hyped up about it, I loaded it up and played for a bit... I got through about 3 or 4 missions then just got bored. It happens. The only SP game that's ever REALLY gripped me was Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, and that's out of hundreds of games...
2004-12-22, 4:00 PM #29
Deus Ex was way, way, WAY too long for an FPS. Still one of my favorites though.
2004-12-22, 4:02 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by Mikus
I never got into Deus Ex, but after everyone here was so hyped up about it, I loaded it up and played for a bit... I got through about 3 or 4 missions then just got bored. It happens. The only SP game that's ever REALLY gripped me was Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, and that's out of hundreds of games...


Sons of Liberty made me gag. It seriously made me rue the day that Konami decided to make a sequel to one of the best games of all time, made me so ashamed of Snake that he'd be replaced with such a flaming...yeah...who did NOT deserve the title of ultimate badass. The guy ****ing SKIPS.

And yes, DX was long, but that's the beauty of it--why would you want it to be short? Especially when it kept the good times a rolling. The longer, the better, as they say ;)
D E A T H
2004-12-22, 4:04 PM #31
spoiler:
Snake was still there, Snake was still a badass, Snake was NOT replaced. Raiden wasn't THAT much of a pansy, he was just pretty

MGS2 rocked.
2004-12-22, 4:14 PM #32
Half Life 2 was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very entertaining.
The answer is maybe.
2004-12-22, 4:15 PM #33
I am shocked and appalled.
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2004-12-22, 4:20 PM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by Mikus
spoiler:
Snake was still there, Snake was still a badass, Snake was NOT replaced. Raiden wasn't THAT much of a pansy, he was just pretty

MGS2 rocked. [/B]


Snake was there...for an hour. After that, it was all pansy (and yes, he was a pansy, the guy was so emo I can't even explain it. He constantly complained to Rose and he did effing CARTWHEELS instead of rolling. The guy was a fruit)
D E A T H
2004-12-22, 4:24 PM #35
Yeah, I think these guys are being VERY nit-picky. The opening was funny: WTF?!?!? OMFQ t3H CR0ssboww HAS S)m3 Scxrew3d up HItboxor!!!1


It just seemed to me they were jumping all over very minor complaints. Think about it it. How much is that slightly screwed up hit box gonna affect your enjoyment of the game?
2004-12-22, 4:26 PM #36
Quote:
Originally posted by SideBurns
Yeah, I think these guys are being VERY nit-picky. The opening was funny: WTF?!?!? OMFQ t3H CR0ssboww HAS S)m3 Scxrew3d up HItboxor!!!1


It just seemed to me they were jumping all over very minor complaints. Think about it it. How much is that slightly screwed up hit box gonna affect your enjoyment of the game?


About as much as being able to protect yourself with a medicine bottle. It can, in some places, ruin the game for you (albeit only momentarily) and bring you out of the experience.

But I have other complaints than these, though about half of them are subjective, so I won't bring them up.
D E A T H
2004-12-22, 4:46 PM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by burrie
Half Life 2 was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very entertaining.


and that's all that really matters
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2004-12-22, 4:57 PM #38
I just got done playing HL2 again, this time on hard. It was still fun. HL2 is one of the very few games that after I've beat it, I want to go back and play again almost immediately. The other one that I can think of right away being PoP:SoT. I still need to finish PoP:WW. The second fight with Kaileena is hard, and is taking some time for me to finish.

Back to HL2 though, yeah, there are some problems with being able to block gunfire with items, and so and such. But more often than not, it reacts realistically. I can't say how many times I've been frustrated because I'm trying to hold a metallic crate or cart in front of me, only to still take damage. Makes it all the more fun I think. And I enjoyed the vehicle levels, though I wish Valve would have followed other games' examples and put you in third-person when you get in the vehicle.

The biggest gripe I have with HL2 is that you don't see Gordon's hands when he is driving a vehicle or climbing a ladder. That one visual detail would have added immersion to the game that I just didn't get.

As for the other games that were mentioned; well, I've never played Deus Ex, and Starcraft was fun, though I never finished the last mission in Brood Wars. I got tired of it. The game (other than HL2) that I'm addicted to right now is Rome:Total War. Something about that game is just so fun. It's probably the fact that the battles are to scale. Great, great fun. Only if they added battle maps to naval battles....
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2004-12-22, 5:02 PM #39
Total War is fun, but the battles take hours. While that's a good thing, for it is more realistic, it literally tires me out.

And who said realistic is good? Is it realistic to shoot someone with a rocket and watch their exploding pieces bounce away? No, but is it awesome fun? Yes. This is why Painkiller prevails.

All we're saying is for such a 'realistic' game, HL2 has some major issues with its realism.

And Cow--I thought it got insanely boring. So I guess one's enjoyment of the game is equal to how much of a fanboy one is.
D E A T H
2004-12-22, 5:03 PM #40
The gameplay in painkiller was outstanding... Mostly because of the physics.

Also, how is DX *boring*. That gets me so mad... Rrrr. <3 versalife
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