Okay. And?

And for the record, if that Yoda is cgi thats fantastic.

Here's some General Grievous Pictures for the poster who requested:

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Padme, Yoda and Obi-Wan: Image (Warning: This contains major spoilers).

Count Dooku: Image (Warning: This contains major spoilers).

Wow, that looks really bad. It's like...video game cutscene-quality. Especially the alien standing by the table bed thing .

Yeah, I thought those blue guys looked terrible too.

I think he just dropped a contact.

I'm abit worried about some of these obvious CG scenes...

I wouldn't say I'm worried, but I am skeptical about these being final shots. On one hand the clarity is quite clear. On the other hand, the CGI quality of some things (those aliens in the Padme pic) is rather poor. Seems that they might have focused all their efforts are making Yoda look better rather than other elements. But then again, these could just be WIPs. ILM was working on TPM and AOTC a few weeks before their releases.

In the words of agent smith.... "more!"

I want more pics. I want to be spoiled as hell.

He'll fix that in the Special Edition.

Looks interesting.

I disagree with that. I've seen more impressive "cg" than the background of the first shot in games like Quake 3.

Screens?

Those screens really make me lose alot of hope for Episode 3. Have they learnt nothing in the last 3 years? People don't want to see total CG to the point of it looking like a cartoon. Hell, guys in rubber suits look more realistic than that. I mean, look what they did on LOTR for the orcs? In some shots, they used cg, and whenever they could they used real guys under prosthetics. I'd take that anyday over all cg(and badly done) creatures.

George Lucas says to his guys, "just make anything you can cg". That's his biggest mistake. Using real sets and characters in the scene also can lend a realistic credibility to the shots where you have to use cg for the same things.

For example, look at Spiderman 2, and Doc Ock's tentacles. The actual cg for him, when they use it, is not exactly the best, but in MANY shots, they are actually using live person-manipulated puppet arms behind the actor himself, and people go "Wow, look at that CG, it looks so real", when in reality, it IS real. And when it gets to a CG shot that doesn't look as real, people tend to forgive it, because in other shots they think the cg looks great. The live practical effects done during principle photography can positively reinforce people's perception of CG effects in a movie. Another example is Spiderman himself in the sequel. Some of his CG shots are pretty bad, others are ok, and some are terrific. Howver, in Many of the shots, Spiderman is actually either Tobey Maguire or a stuntguy in the Spidey suit. And it looks great, absolutely real, because it is. And the effect is has on the overall perception of the Spiderman "effects", is that he looked terrific.

George Lucas just thinks he can get rid of "sets" and "live actors", and create everything in the computer. Unfortunately, either ILM isn't at the level to achieve this adequately yet, or cg technology is just not ready for it yet.

what the hell. that's a real set. please show evidence of quake3 looking better than real life.

You are making some false generalizations. George Lucas never told his guys to make everything cgi, that's not even his decision. Everything they can do with props and miniatures and real things, they do. All they have replaced with CGI are puppets, (I don't care what you say, the puppets were aweful. CGI characteres replacing puppets, no matter how cartoony they look, work better). I believe right now the standing statistic for real/vs cgi sets is 75% real sets, and 25% cgi sets. If it's too big to and expansive to build as a miniature, or too complicated to build as an actual set, they'll either make a matte painting for it, or they'll make it CG.

I'm tired of people thinking everything they see in the new star wars films are CG, because most of the time they're looking at a miniature. Take the Geonosis arena for example. Most people I've talked to say it's CG, looks fake, and is just George Lucas showing off his computers. The entire arena was actually a huge miniature. The same thing happens with the Droid Factory, most pople think it's all cg, but it's actually a matte painting with the interactive stuff as CG (like they do in every other movie with complicated machinery).

I can see this same issue coming up in EpIII when people see the huge tree cities on Kashyyyk. They'll automatically assume its CG and complain it looks fake, when in fact is a 12 foot tall miniature. These generalizations are stupid and inaccurate, and all you're accomplishing by making them is decreasing your enjoyment of these films because you can't let your imagination take off. You're too busy looking for what looks fake and what doesn't.

Darth J is so right in this respect that it is amazing.

Worry about something other than good special effects for once.

No. The puppets of today look 100000000000x more realistic than CGI. I promise you this.

JediKirby

Don't promise me. Prove it to me.

<3 Darth J

Mr Hyde in LXG was part puppet.

Which side are you helping?

WTF is up with anakins sabre? It's supposed to be blue, since thats the ANH handle. (apparently) Its clearly green here.

Either you're being sarcastic, or don't know that the color of the pole doesn't matter when it comes to rotoscoping.

Darth, unfortunately, your post does not prove anything. I think most of us can agree George Lucas intentionally uses too much CG in the prequels. Now the business of the miniatures in the prequels is another matter. Miniatures can be done right (LOTR and WETA) and done very poorly (SW prequels). It is clear from your post that you defend GL's overuse of CG. So you claim that just because they use a "miniature" in the shot with fake CG elements thrown in, that somehow excuses it , and makes it worthy of not being bashed? If anything, it shows how piss-poor GL's ILM team is at incorporating miniatures in with his CG.

And on top of that, do you actually think a miniature is all that is required to make a scene look real? There is still the problem of actors having to be "in" the scene. Take a look at Minas Tirith for example in LOTR. The had built a few scales of "bigatures" for certain shots, but they also had built full-scale portions of the city as actual sets for the actors to film in. I'm sorry, but George Lucas completely skips this process a lot of the time. Completely blue-screened sets with only a few "real" objects and set pieces or ground scattered about do not do much for realistic looking rooms or environments in star wars. Especially because GL's ILM team doesn't seem up to par with some other big movies with better visual effects.

You know what? Maybe "realistic-looking" is asking too much. How about "not making these supposed live action movies look like a ******* cartoon". I think most people would agree with that.

The following is a list of built sets for Episode III that are actual environments.

Coruscant -- Padmé's Verandah
Trade Federation Cruiser - Bridge
Jedi Council Chambers
Jedi Temple Hallway
Jedi Briefing Room
Landing Platform (The greenscreen background allows this set to be used for multiple environments).
General Grievous' Starfighter
Alternate Jedi Briefing Room
Senate Main Hallway
Stage 2 - Conference Room
Stage 7 - Control Room
Vent Shaft
Bail Organa's Office
Chancellor's Office
Elevator Shaft
General's Quarters (The room where Anakin is fighting Dooku in the images).
Diplomatic Cruiser - Corridor (Tantive IV)
Scaled Kashyyyk Tree
Scaled Mustafar Volcanic landscape
Mustafar Hallway
Mustafar Control Room
Tantive IV Medical Bay
Trade Federation Cruiser - Bridge Altnerate
Chancellor's Private Office
Cruiser - Elevator Lobby
Utapau City Landing Platform
Utapau City Streets

These are the environments that have been announced officially, and contain little to no bluescreen or greenscreen. Of all the sets officially announced, only two are completely Greenscreen or Bluescreen: One being a room flooded with fuel, in which they had the actors film underwater rather than have fake cg actors simulated underwater. The other is a massive underground cave. These are the only completely CG sets so far. Two.

Griping about the overabundunce of CG in a movie is STUPID. Everybody uses CG for what needs to be done. George Lucas pioneered it, and made it what it is. Don't try to tell me otherwise. WETA acquired much of their know-how from ILM. Lucas is continuing to experiment with new ways of doing things both to reduce the amount of money it takes to make something work, not only for himself but for every other person using the technology, as well as to improve the way things look. Just compare the 1997 SE's to EpIII, the difference in quality is outstanding. Lucas' movies have always been about testing new things, so either shut up about it and enjoy a fantastic series of movies working to pioneer the latest in digital effects, or SHUT UP and don't watch the movies, and stop complaining about it because nobody wants to hear it.

Yes. Even ESB yoda looked incredibly more realistic than AotC yoda.

Darth J said "Don't promise me. Prove it to me." in response to jEDIkIRBY's comments about how puppets are more realistic now. When he asked for proof, I proved it. There was a man underneath all of that, however, most of it was fake because the same actor who played Dr Jekyll also played Mr Hyde. The arms were puppets for example and being controlled by him.

Am I the only person that really doesn't give a **** what it's made of and just wants to see it because I liked the serries of movies? Weither it looks 100% realistic or not?

I too hold this position.

I agree as well.

I just noticed something about those first shots posted. The first one with Palpatine and the one with Yoda on the ground appear to be either in the same room, or in the same type of room. Just look at the walls.

As for Palpatine's face... yeah. They could've done a lot better than that.

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There are about 5,000 ships in the opening space battle, not counting the starfighters. - OS

Taken from TheForce.net Just the Facts.