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How do you think the earth is going to end?!
2005-01-03, 12:52 PM #41
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2005-01-03, 1:25 PM #42
Mort, you kind of impressed me abit with the open mindedness of your recent post but I found it abit odd that while you point out the carbon dioxide production from mankind pales in comparison to the massive ammounts produced naturally you also suggest it's worse because the earth is "used" to the massive eruptions. That just seems abit out there.
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2005-01-03, 1:56 PM #43
What?

I'm saying it's not the amount of carbon dioxide emission that is significant. Human activity releases very little in comparison to volcanoes. However, over millions of years the enivornment has adapted to those volcanoes as they are part of the natural cycle.
While human activity might be releasing much much less carbon dioxide in terms of amount, the significance is that the enviornment has not adapted to human activity. Human activity is bumping it over the natural limit.
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2005-01-03, 2:02 PM #44
Still seems flawed. Although things such as volcanic eruptions are natural occurances they are still unpredictable. The Earth doesn't adapt to handle volcanic eruptions. Nature just deals with them when they occur just like it does anything else.
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2005-01-03, 2:06 PM #45
Screw global warming, the physical universe will be obliterated by 2012.

http://www.deoxy.org/t_newmap.htm

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What is happening to our world is ingression of novelty toward what Whitehead called "concrescence," a tightening gyre. Everything is flowing together. The "autopoetic lapis," the alchemical stone at the end of time, coalesces when everything flows together. When the laws of physics are obviated, the universe disappears, and what is left is the tightly bound plenum, the monad, able to express itself for itself, rather than only able to cast a shadow into physis as its reflection. I come very close here to classical millenarian and apocalyptic thought in my view of the rate at which change is accelerating. From the way the gyre is tightening, I predict that concrescence will occur soon - around 2012 A.D. It will be the entry of our species into hyperspace, but it will appear to be the end of physical laws accompanied by the release of the mind into the imagination.
2005-01-03, 2:06 PM #46
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
What doesn't help is the media leaping on this and trying to make it far more sensationalist than it actually is, suggesting that recent weather phenomena are the result of global warming. We cannot know this, there is no way that we can try and make this link, and it's this sort of nonsense that makes people doubt the effect of global warming as a whole. It is important and it is something to be worried about... but not quite as much as the media like to make out.


You can't say the hurricanes that hit florida, or that recent tsunami were causes of global warming, but some things are just plain obvious. At least in this part of the world it is. In parts where the climate is remotely stable, you won't see much, if any difference. But over here, in the past 10 years we've beaten reccords for the warmest and coldest temperatures ever reccorded many many times. -50c winters when the norm is -20... 49c last summer... in montreal (considering the warmest temperature ever reccorded on earth is somewhere around 55).

Then there's that ice storm in '98. Most of you in the north east felt it, or at least heard of it, but Montreal was considered ground zero, and was by far the worst affected spot. A city that, at the time, was considered the most modern and technologically advanced in north america, was nearly destroyed. Such a thing had never even been heard of before. It wasn't just some random phenomenon, because for the last decade or so, we've been getting at least one ice storm a year.
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2005-01-03, 2:09 PM #47
Geology Teacher, Mr. Rey: "Guys, global warming and the Greenhouse Effect is a bunch of s***."

Then again....he's a little crazy....he said this on our first field trip:

"If you get hurt, I hope you die, so I don't have to fill out all those d*** insurence papers."

But I still believe him.

[EDIT:] Global Warming and the Greenhouse effect has been proven to be going on in a pattern, just like the Ice Ages, ever since the Earth was "born". I think we will die out because of disease, as of 250 million years, another Pangea (were all the landmasses join together to form a supercontient) will occure, thus spread of disease will overcome common practical medicine.

If we don't blow ourselves up by then, which IS the most likely.

Or if we don't die because we f***ed ourselves to death..considering HIV and AIDS. ;)
2005-01-03, 2:12 PM #48
He's a geology teacher. He doesn't know **** about global warming.
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2005-01-03, 2:14 PM #49
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Originally posted by Flexor
He's a geology teacher. He doesn't know **** about global warming.


Sometimes I wounder if he knows anything...he can't spell anything right (but niether can I).
2005-01-03, 2:26 PM #50
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Originally posted by Flexor
He's a geology teacher. He doesn't know **** about global warming.


Trust me, I've gotten it from other teachers along the way. Global warming isn't a big deal.
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2005-01-03, 2:27 PM #51
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Originally posted by Flexor
He's a geology teacher. He doesn't know **** about global warming.

Ah yes, but a bunch of uninformed people on an internet forum do! Brilliant!
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
Because studying the Earth's climate is nothing at all like studying local weather. In many cases, it's much easier to study the whole Earth, or very large chunks of it.

Actually, it's a whole lot harder!
2005-01-03, 2:29 PM #52
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A new science that places the psychedelic experience at the center of its program of investigation should move toward a practical realization of this goal - the goal of eliminating the barrier between the ego and the Overself so that the ego can perceive itself as an expression of the Overself. Then the anxiety of facing a tremendous biological crisis in the form of the ecocrises, and the crisis of limitation in physical space forced upon us by our planet- bound situation, can be obviated by cultivating the soul and by practicing a new shamanism using tryptamine-containing plants.

Psilocybin is the most commonly available and experientially accessible of these compounds. Therefore my plea to scientists, administrators, and politicians who may read these words is this: look again at psilocybin, do not confuse it with the other psychedelics, and realize that it is a phenomenon unto itself with an enormous potential for transforming human beings - not simply transforming the people who take it, but transforming society in the way that an art movement, a mathematical understanding, or a scientific breakthrough transforms society. It holds the possibility of transforming the entire species simply by virtue of the information that comes through it. Psilocybin is a source of gnosis, and the voice of gnosis has been silenced in the Western mind for at least a thousand years.

When the Franciscans and the Dominicans arrived in Mexico in the sixteenth century, they immediately set about stamping out the mushroom religion. The Indians called it teonanacatl, "the flesh of the gods." The Catholic church had a monopoly on theophagia and was not pleased by this particular approach to what was going on. Now, four hundred years after that initial contact, I suggest that Eros, which retreated from Europe with the rise of Christianity, retreated to the mountains of the Sierra Mazateca. Finally, pushed into seclusion there, it now reemerges in Western consciousness.

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2005-01-03, 2:30 PM #53
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2005-01-03, 2:31 PM #54
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Originally posted by Dj Yoshi
Trust me, I've gotten it from other teachers along the way. Global warming isn't a big deal.


Then you're probably not getting some very good education. And your teachers probably haven't either. In fact, pretty much anyone who says global warming isn't happening is pretty ignorant to begin with.
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2005-01-03, 2:31 PM #55
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Originally posted by tofu
Ah yes, but a bunch of uninformed people on an internet forum do! Brilliant!


Amen, brother!
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2005-01-03, 2:36 PM #56
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Originally posted by Flexor
Then you're probably not getting some very good education. And your teachers probably haven't either. In fact, pretty much anyone who says global warming isn't happening is pretty ignorant to begin with.


Aye, it probably is occuring to a slight extent. And to paraphrase you: in fact, pretty much anyone saying man is responsible for global warming is pretty ignorant to begin with. Although, truth be told, I believe arrogant is a better word.
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2005-01-03, 2:46 PM #57
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Originally posted by Flexor
Then you're probably not getting some very good education. And your teachers probably haven't either. In fact, pretty much anyone who says global warming isn't happening is pretty ignorant to begin with.

The question isn't if it's happening, it's how much and how it will affect the environment.
2005-01-03, 2:48 PM #58
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Originally posted by Flexor
Then you're probably not getting some very good education. And your teachers probably haven't either. In fact, pretty much anyone who says global warming isn't happening is pretty ignorant to begin with.


What I am saying is it's not a big deal, as it is a natural phnomenon.

If Global Warming were to happen at it's ideal state, every cities' average high temperature of the year will raise each year continuosly.
2005-01-03, 2:55 PM #59
It's a big deal even if the human presence has no effect on it. It's not just a matter of having one more degree once in awhile. The earth's climates are mainly controlled by winds and currents. The slightest change of temperature can have a drastic effect on the environment. Like the example of the ice storm. Ice storms were barely ever reccorded before, and now they're commonplace. A tiny variation of a few degrees in the orientation of a southern front was all it took to divert it towards this point, where it collided with an artic front (which otherwise never would have happened). A global warming of 1 celcius doesn't mean everywhere on earth the temperature warms by 1 degree. Because of the currents, it means more ice storms, floods, hurricanes... Butterfly effect, anyone?


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What I am saying is it's not a big deal, as it is a natural phnomenon.


So is a giant asteroid hitting the earth and killing every living thing. But hey, it's a natural phenomenon!
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2005-01-03, 2:59 PM #60
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Originally posted by Flexor
It's a big deal even if the human presence has no effect on it. It's not just a matter of having one more degree once in awhile. The earth's climates are mainly controlled by winds and currents. The slightest change of temperature can have a drastic effect on the environment. Like the example of the ice storm. Ice storms were barely ever reccorded before, and now they're commonplace. A tiny variation of a few degrees in the orientation of a southern front was all it took to divert it towards this point, where it collided with an artic front (which otherwise never would have happened). A global warming of 1 celcius doesn't mean everywhere on earth the temperature warms by 1 degree. Because of the currents, it means more ice storms, floods, hurricanes... Butterfly effect, anyone?


This reminds me of that one movie..."The Day After Tommrow"...god I hated that movie.

Though I do find it funny a Tsunami occured just occured, while it is basically flooding rain in LA and Southern Cali., and there is no snow here in Missouri yet.

God must hate us.
2005-01-03, 4:09 PM #61
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Still seems flawed. Although things such as volcanic eruptions are natural occurances they are still unpredictable. The Earth doesn't adapt to handle volcanic eruptions. Nature just deals with them when they occur just like it does anything else.


Unpredictable, perhaps, but that doesn't really matter. Volcanoes have existed for millions of years as has the environment. The environment has adapted to volcanoes in order to maintain a chemical equilibrium. The influence on the greenhouse effect from volcanoes is offset by the haze effect from the same volcanoes. But it's that equilibrium that is being disturbed by human activity.

If human beings had also existed for millions of years, then the environment would have adapted to us. But human beings have only been emitting 'greenhouse gasses' for the last 200 years. 200 years is nothing. The environment cannot adapt that quickly. As soon as the industrial revolution came about, the amount of carbon dioxide emission from human activity soared and it's been rapidly increasing ever since. The environment cannot handle fluctutation this rapid.


As for pretty much all the other comments... they seem go along the lines of "my teacher said this and he's my teacher therefor he's right".
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The IPCC knows more than your teacher ;


Please try and avoid phrases like "global warming isn't happening!".

It is happening. The question is how much of an effect human activity has had on it.

The emissions from human activity are constantly increasing and increasing rapidly. We might not know just how much of an effect we're having at the moment, but if we keep on emitting more and more we're going to have more and more of an effect, so eventually it is going to be significant.
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2005-01-03, 4:14 PM #62
When Sol goes nova. I doubt that will be the end of mankind, though.. I just cannot imagine a cataclysm on a scale large enough to *end* human life, or even to cripple us to a point beyond recovery.

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2005-01-03, 4:21 PM #63
Well, when the Sun is running out of fuel it will swell to a size which will engulf the whole solar system before dying completely. It's safe to say that unless we've mastered interstellar travel by this point it will end all life on the planet.

Of course, if you meant supernova we'd be even more screwed as you'd have to travel at the speed of light for quite a few years to get out of range of one of those. Our Sun isn't going to supernova though, so it's all good.
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2005-01-03, 4:23 PM #64
The death of our Sun will result in the destruction of Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars.
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2005-01-03, 4:41 PM #65
Pssshhh.... screw global warming. Obviously, the military is going to make a weapon that accidentally causes the Earth's core to stop spinning, which will directly cause us to be microwaved by the sun.
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2005-01-03, 4:44 PM #66
Human's won't live long enough for the sun to go out, that much I can guess.
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2005-01-03, 4:57 PM #67
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Originally posted by Stinkywrix
How do you think the earth is going to end?!


Not with a bang, but with a whimper...
2005-01-03, 4:59 PM #68
Based on my religion, 4 horsemen are going to storm the earth slaughtering the unrighteous in an armegeddon of fire and hell.
Which is by far the coolest way for the Earth to go.
2005-01-03, 5:30 PM #69
Anyone mentioned zombies and women yet?
2005-01-03, 9:57 PM #70
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You people are strange. Everyone knows that the only viable answer is Vogons.

Yes, Vogons. A Vogon Constructor Fleet will elimate the planet to make way for a new hyperspace bypass.


I always seem to forget the classic HHGTTG reference.
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2005-01-04, 1:05 AM #71
Sun turns into red giant.

Incineration.
2005-01-04, 6:58 AM #72
It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. It's just a matter of time. War.
2005-01-04, 11:36 AM #73
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It's in our nature to destroy ourselves.


No.. it really isn't..
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2005-01-04, 12:02 PM #74
It's in our nature to have sex, but we don't all do that.
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2005-01-04, 12:11 PM #75
It's in some people's nature to destroy themselves sexually.
Looks like we're not going down after all, so nevermind.
2005-01-04, 12:12 PM #76
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Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
More? You know, earth's population is now at more than 6 billion. That is far, far more than earth's population 100 or 200 years ago. That is adding a lot of carbon dioxide to the air. The rise of carbon dioxide leaves have (not so coincidentally) risen with the rise with the rise in population.
But more people = less living animals (maybe), which means less carbon dioxide, so it balances out (possibly). Then again, we cut down lots and lots of trees. Oh well. We can invent CO2 - O2 converters, I would imagine. Someday.

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Also when you consider that a small "ice age" ended a 150 years ago, I would expect temperatures to still be on the rise a bit anyway. Furthermore many man-made pollutants actually have cooling effect of earth's temperature. Earth's temperature rises over loooong periods of time. A slight rise in temperature over 50 years in not something to get excited over. Write back when the temperature has actually rises significantly.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but the winters in Illinois have gotten less and less cold in my lifetime alone. I'm only 21. Heck, this winter was almost warm. And no snow (except one day, but it was only a few flakes).
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2005-01-04, 2:53 PM #77
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So is a giant asteroid hitting the earth and killing every living thing. But hey, it's a natural phenomenon!


An asteroid hitting the earth technically isn't a natural phenomenon. A natural phenomenon is something like the seasons changing, lightening, thunder, rain, etc. An asteroid hitting the earth is caused by a large rock separating from all the other asteroids it may be flying around in space with, or another rock hitting another rock or planet and the resulting rocks that are thrown out into space from the impact traveling towards earth. It happens naturally, but it's not a natural phenomenon. From my point of view.
2005-01-04, 9:44 PM #78
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2005-01-06, 5:24 AM #79
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More? You know, earth's population is now at more than 6 billion. That is far, far more than earth's population 100 or 200 years ago. That is adding a lot of carbon dioxide to the air. The rise of carbon dioxide leaves have (not so coincidentally) risen with the rise with the rise in population.


...no. The carbon dioxide emission increase is far more rapid than the global population rise, so you cannot attribute it to human respiration.
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