"Even in the very first movie -- A New Hope -- when Vader is in the meeting and he chokes the guy for mocking him, someone else tells Vader to ease up,"

Originally posted by phoenix_9286
In the god knows how many times I've watched that movie, I have NEVER heard that. Ever. I'm going to check now, but if it's there, it HAS to be incredibly faint.

Originally posted by Jaiph

Originally posted by 7
look at nat, lovin up on george. h8

Originally posted by Jaiph
...Tarkin tells him to release him. Quite noticably.

Originally posted by MechWarrior
I never understood why Vader used grip... why couldn't he just take out his saber and chop him.

Originally posted by MechWarrior
I never understood why Vader used grip... why couldn't he just take out his saber and chop him.

Originally posted by 7
look at nat, lovin up on george. h8

Originally posted by Raynar
Naah, George used enhanced CGI to create the Special Edition of the photo to include Nat's hand on his shoulder - as he originally envisioned the photograph. :p

Raynar

Originally posted by THRAWN
$20 says Im right about midichlorians. I'm gonna pick it up as soon as I can get my car working.

"Even in the very first movie -- A New Hope -- when Vader is in the meeting and he chokes the guy for mocking him, someone else tells Vader to ease up," Windolf explains. "There's always someone there giving Darth Vader an order. It also comes back to the idea that the Force has a physical embodiment. Because Anakin's body is so injured in Episode III, he isn't as strong in the Force as the Emperor had hoped. And that's why it was so important to the Emperor in the original trilogy to replace Vader with Luke, who was stronger in the Force than his own father. In fact, George mentioned that Anakin and Luke's lives are extremely parallel but while Anakin chooses the dark side at almost every turn, Luke chooses the right path."

"One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith Lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the Dark Side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, the master, and so on. But there could never be any more than two of them, because if there were, they would try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies." - GL

Originally posted by Jaiph
I think you've given it a wee bit too much thought Thrawn.

Originally posted by THRAWN
Mikus, this is my opinion which might be a spoiler if it turns out to be true
I suspect the reason the Jedi ultimately fall is because they put too much faith in science. They try to find a physical reason why they are capable of using the Force through science, and do so with midichlorians. Do midichlorians explain why they can use the Force? Oh yeah of course, Anakin and Yoda have high counts and are the most powerful. But they continue to look at it through science and not as a religion, as they did in the original. I believe Lucas honest to God thought up the midichlorians back when he did the originals, but never put it in.

After the Jedi fall, Yoda and Obi-Wan being the last left realize the truth, that the Jedi were putting such faith in science, and they were proved wrong. Why else do no other Jedi disappear when they die? Because science wouldn't allow that. Qui-Gon Jinn was heard in AotC. I think when Yoda heard this, he begins to realize that there is more to the Force than that of a physical thing, but rather a spiritual thing, hence why Yoda and Obi-Wan disappear, and why Vader went over to Obi-Wan in ANH when he disappeared.

So in the end I think midichorlians are the Jedi's way of explaining the Force through science and it helps with there destruction, by putting there faith in science and not faith in of itself.

Originally posted by 7
wow, vader looks like a little kid in those pics

Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast
Which is why I'm glad he's not going to do any fighting during this film . Hayden isn't any Prowse in terms of bulk, but then again, Prowse was a bodybuilder.

Originally posted by Darth J
From what I've gathered in the latest RotS rumors, the midichlorians are simply a channel in which the force communicates with the jedi. The higher a midichlorian count a jedi has, the more atuned to the force they are. Anakin ignores the will of the force in favor of his personal passions and desires, and as a result, loses his humanity. When Anakin becomes Darth Vader, he is essentially ignoring the midichlorians up until the very end, and he gives in to the will of the force and destroys the Emperor.