or how about when you see a confident, outgoing, strong willed woman that knows what she wants gets a standing ovation, but if a guy is like that, he becomes an egomaniac.

........and you wonder why it started in the first place.

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Well this seems to have actually turned into a real Sex talk... except not sex as in the verb... sex as in the differation between men and women....

But lets still keep it clean and flame free, ok people? We're all civilized people here.

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Hmmm never knew that. Still I believe it's easier to guard the chest area then the hip area.

I'd just like to point out that on the equality front that women are generally paid less than men because they generally do lower paying work. If a woman was making less than a man in the same job that company would be shut down so fast it's not even funny. And everyone knows this is true so don't even TRY to argue *glares at the females*

That's not true. There are a few studies of men and women in the same field, with the same jobs, men tend to receive raises and bonuses much quicker than women...

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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I'm afraid I just quoted you on this.

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If you can read this, you need better glasses.

Maybe they just suck at it then

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That or maybe they were unpleasant to work with.

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b/c women can get maternity leave if they get knocked up. It's a balance b/c men don't get maternity leave (obviously).

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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited April 23, 2004).]

...that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You're a complete psychopath.

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And your... gonna get banned for flaming...

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

Er...why should men get maternity leave? They're not going to developing a 40 lbs.+ sack on their stomach over a period of nine months, only to have it all come out in less than a total of 10 seconds.

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40 lbs... how big do you think babies are... O_o

Try 10 to 20.

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

Well most babies are below 10 i believe. Definitely not as high as 20 i think - correct me if i'm wrong.

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Sweet irony...

I dunno but 40... wtf do you think we are camels...

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

Is it just me or is the fact that he said "knocked up" totally negate any possible influence he could have on this discussion? I hate people who say that. It's rude and crude. Go back to your little woman-festival fantasy world Pagewizard, and take your ideas with you.

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Amneotic fluid and the placenta have mass, too. Maybe not totalling up to 40 pounds, but definitely more than 20.

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Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent.

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Yeah, I'd say closer to 25 or 30.

Page, about one in four women now are too wrapped up in their job to have a child, and that number is growing. In fact, that's going to have a nice side effect, a reduced population growth rate.

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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I haven't got the courage nor will to do something like that. I'm mostly afraid of hurting their feelings I guess. Aside from that it's just plain mean.
Don't know if what I just said really relates at all to the topic, but oh well.

My family has 5 kids, and two of my friend's each have 6.

Response relating to Roach's post about how 1/4 of women and rising are too tied up to have kids.

My mom got all this bs when she had her third child. She retired from her job btw. She was told "Oh, I'm sorry you've gotta be a housewife." and stuff like that. Then there's the general public view nowadays that being a housewife is being a parasite because you're not bringing any money into the family. I personally think that's crap. Though I *can* see where they came up with that view, it's really kinda stupid. As long as you're trying to do somthing to help, that's generally what matters.

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[This message has been edited by Darth Slaw (edited April 23, 2004).]

From what I understand, it's more or less women putting their lives before a family, and pursuing careers instead of "settling down." Though, I'm sure the feeling of being a financial burden adds to it.

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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I think for a single, average sized baby, the extra weight added on a woman proly comes around 30lbs... and thats not the added fat that the body gains during that period, thats just the baby, and all the other stuff the body creates to take care of it.

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"Ahhhh!! I'm Burnin'! I'm Burnin!!!" - Cleaner from Max Payne 2

clearly we are getting off topic on the original subject

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Women gain approximately 30 lbs during pregnancy, minus baby.

pagewizard, most people here don't like it when you use street slang. Just so you know.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited April 24, 2004).]

What more is there to discuss? It's already been stated that women are born with more than enough eggs for a few life-times, but that they still have egg-producing germ cells so they could possibly produce more later in life...

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Roach - Caught in the war of hemispheres.
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