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How could a perfect world be boring and not challenging? If it ceased to fail your expectations, it would be imperfect, n'est-ce pas? So if it was perfect, it'd be challenging and it wouldn't be boring. I'm not saying this is my idea of Heaven, but if I wanted to be an airplane mechanic there because I liked problem solving with high stakes, then I could still do that and have it be challenging, even failing every once in a while. Airplanes would crash and people might die, but that would be my idea of perfect and it would not be boring. What's boring about feeling smart and saving lives?

But of course, people wouldn't actually die, it would be more like a video game. So you can do whatever you want without any consequences. Unless of course you get pleasure from knowing that real people are getting hurt... in which case you're probably going to Hell anyways.

I've thought about that, but it's almost incomprehendable. (sp??!)

But if everything was perfect you wouldn't make mistakes and airplanes wouldn't crash. If it was perfect you would never make mistakes and you would know all. There would be no challenge.

haha it makes me think of in The Matrix when Agent Smith is talking to Morpheous about how they tried to make this perfect world but humans rejected it. It just doesn't seem possible. I enjoy life here and now because it is a challenge, and nothing is perfect.

It's like playing a video game with the cheats on. It just gets boring after a while.

That's precisely why I'm saying it would be perfect if people could die because of your mistakes. I mean if they weren't, you wouldn't have as much of a tedious or challenging job before you. Want to try to send a plane up with half a wing? Go right ahead. The landing gear won't come down? That's okay, nobody will die; we'll get around to fixing it after Days of Our Lives goes off and after lunch. The fuselage breaks in half during flight? That's a real shame. I hope it wasn't too windy for you when that happened. It lets you be bored and lazy. Boredom and laziness come from dissatisfaction and, ultimately, imperfection. So how could perfect, something that's supposed to fulfill and satisfy, but dissatisfactory?

My personal opinion on this is that what happens in Heaven--the perfect world--will not be boring. Either our interests change as we transcend this life or we still have the same interests and we're finally able to perfectly do what makes us happiest. I could finally make a movie without worrying about a budget or not having enough money to pay for good talent.

What it call comes down to is this: is perfection objective or subjective? Has perfection been made for us or is it whatever we make it to be?

Heaven... Heaven is a place... A place where nothing... Nothing ever happens....

Heaven's only really limited by our imaginations--which, I believe, we'll come to find were always limited to begin with.

Right - we are limited as humans, so it stands to reason that as our current selves we could not appreciate Heaven/the afterlife.

So what if Heaven was not a place, or a set of conditional priviledges, but a development in ourselves, becoming something more than human that could comprehend bliss and appreciate pure joy?

I like this idea, but I also like the Eastern theory of the "wise soul", and the ascent into nirvana.

You guys are so incredibly materialistic.