AHAHAHAHAHA.

What makes you think he did it for the drug? He probably did it to evade capture. Or any other reason,, but I can guarantee you he wasn't thinking "NOOO MY WEEED MUST SMOKE ANOTHER JOINT AHHHHH KILL KILL"

Do you live in Canada?
Do you watch Canadian News?


If yes to either, have you ever heard some ofthe news stations? SOme are interviewing people on the streets and a few of the people are blaming it on pot. Talkback Toronto on CFTO news did a little segment they call "Talkback Toronto" where people from Toronto call in with their opinions on topics of the day. Anywyas, they did this, and 50% were blaming it on pot.

Just because it wasnt said in the topic doesn't mean it was never said. Not everything revolves around the internet and discussion boards.

Agreed.

i somehow doubt he was even smoking it... if he was instead of killing them it might have gone like this

"hey dude the cops are here"
"oh crap dude we should i dunno try to get out of here"
"but i just ordered a pizza"
"pizza sounds good"

Thank you.

Temp--you can't deny, that they were don't something illegal. No matter what, if they had not been doing anything illegal, the chances of them shooting the cop go down DRASTICALLY. Because they wouldn't be doing something wrong.

I blame pot, and the idiot(s) who were in charge of this grow farm. Just realize that this wasn't the cops' fault, this isn't the law's fault, this is this guy's and his illegal substance's fault.

Im not denying that they werent doing anything illegal. I'm saying two things here:


1. There has been a longtime argument that police force resources should be put towards fighting REAL crime, and REAL criminals. Instead of persecuting people doing minor things, such as growing/smoking pot. This is one of those cases, wher cops lives, would have been better lost on a more important cause and fighting a more dangerous adversary aside from the evil little plant.

2. People, beacuse of this act, are now seeming to find the excuse they were loooking for. There has been no evidence that the man who killed the police was under the influence of Marijuana, yet people arejumping to the conclusion that he must have been, and that this is just the "trouble" marijuana "causes" and one of the things people are capable of under its influence. This is what I am defending against, people saying crap like that.



Yes, it was illegal what they were doing.

Yes the cops were doing their job.

No it's not directly the laws fault.

Yes things could have been different if they weren't disobeying the law

But, things could have also been different if there was no law against this as well.

Temp, I'm kind of on your side as far as persecuting normal recreational smokers and the penalties against grow-ops. But do you seriously think these guys were casual blazers, with their assault rifles?

I've temporarily stopped smoking pot simply because in acquiring it, I become involved with people who are simply untrustworthy, looking for a profit, and that generally are headed in horrible directions.

No, i dont. Which is the point I'm trying to get across.

Yes. And things would be different with murder. And rape. And possession of cocaine. And drunk driving. And being drunk in public. And minors in possession (of alcohol).

A lot of things would be different if they were legalized. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea.

Thank you.

And I'm not saying we should never legalize pot. Just that, as long as it's against the law to use it, well...there's no excuse when you're using it. You're breaking the law, period.

Way to misread my post.

dj yoshi is right. if it's against the law, it's against the law. :/

wolfy, you can't compare pot smoking to murder and rape. you have to compare it to drinking alcohol. they're apples and apples in comparison.

bottom line is the governments in both our countries should just get up off their asses and legalize the stuff so they can regulate, control and tax the crap out of it. wanna pay the $200,000,000,000 bill for 2 years in iraq? taxing pot would help quite a bit. the pot industry in BC is worth over $7,000,000,000. tax it like cigs and the government would make more than double that in that province alone. and BC has 1/5 the population of ontario. and 1/100 the population of california, new york, washington and oregon. think of the cash the government would be rolling in. you know they're not going to criminalize alcohol or cigs which are just as bad (spare me the statistics and studies please). and you know comparing pot to crack/e/heroin/coke is the stupidest thing anyone has ever said.
if there wasn't so much opposition from the US we would have legalized it years ago.

That's why I also stuck in the "drunk in public," "minor in possession," and "possessing cocaine" examples.

True evad. I'm all for legalization--hell it's definitely no worse than alcohol, IMO. But I'm not going to blame the fact that it's not been legalized yet for any incidents involving it.

Why do you blame pot though? Why do you blame anything BUT the shooters? It is only logical to blame the laws against weed but it makes no sense to blame it on the plant itself. Your just using a scapegoat. He did not kill the officers because he was "high". If you believe that you are a damn fool, no questions asked. Maybe if he was drunk, or on PCP, but weed just doesn't affect your mind like that, especially for a seasoned smoker like this guy who probably barely gets stoned anymore.

He did this either out of hate for police, to protect his crop which he was going to SELL NOT SMOKE. The argument that "the law is the law" is ridiculous. Just because something is a law, doesn't mean it is right or fair. Sure, cocaine legalization is not a good idea because it is such a hard drug, but weed just doesnt have the same dangers. If it were legal, there wouldn't be ORGANIZED GANGS like this group setting up huge grow ops to make money, and then killing people who get in their way, such as these cops.

Not that Im fully blaming the law. This guy is obviously a whackjob who needs to be locked up.

"But I'm not going to blame the fact that it's not been legalized yet for any incidents involving it."

WHY? Thats just ridiculous.

Why is it logical to blame it on the law? The guy was knowingly engaging in illegal activities. When cops tried to stop him, he killed them.

I find it somewhat ironic that you say that Yoshi is blaming everything but the shooter, and then you state that the logical conclusion is that it's the law's fault.

I've got 10 pounds of cocaine in my closet. I'm planning to sell it. Cops bust in to seize it. I kill them all.

It was the law's fault, I swear!

If pot gets legalized, it should sell for $200 dollars per joint.

I don't believe that the shooter was stoned or a user at all, I don't blame the USE of the drugs in this situation.

He was just "protecting" his crops... it's still stupid, I don't get why he attacked the officers, he killed himself anyway.

The RCMP members weren't storming into the building in a bust either.. They were gaurding the building (If I'm wrong about this please correct me) but assuming I'm right, I'd like to know how he was able to take down four armed officers without getting shot by the RCMP himself.

I meant to say that I also blame the shooter--I'm sorry if I didn't get that across.

And I don't think he was high--I blame the fact that he wanted to protect his crop so much on these cops' deaths. Also, if it weren't weed, it'd probably be another drug. Weed's just...easy to hide. Easier, at least.

Romjae said it best, really.

haha.. I like you and all, but no. Weed's not easy to hide. Especially a large grow op.

Hydro and water bills are outrageous, and the smell is practically impossible to disguise.

Yeah, he's right.
It's really easy to notice how much power is needed/used to keep a grow up going. Not to mention there is a lot of equipment that is used to make everything work. It's not an easy thing to hide. That's why there are so many busts.... The signs are always there.

recently in north york there was some grow equipment siezed that still had the police id numbers on it from the last time it was siezed. the cops sold the equipment at auction 3 years earlier. who did they think was buying it? oh man, talk about stupidity and irony all wrapped up into one.

I doubt he was protecting his crops...this seemed like a fury driven suicide killing to me...He realized he was screwed and got really pissed off, killed the cops, realized he was now completely screwed and killed himself.

So I guess the law isnt so much to blame, but would this have happened if weed was legal? AND DON'T GIVE ME THE COCAINE ANALOGY BECAUSE WEED ACTUALLY HAS MANY REASONS TO BE LEGALIZED, UNLIKE COKE.

Didn't know masturbation was comparable to killing people. That just makes so much sense.

I suppose it always depends on how big your grow 'ops' are. I have friends that grow and sell pounds at a time...and they hide it extremely well. I've never known any of them to be caught (in 2 years).

Of course, these may/may not be isolated incidents.