Fair enough, but then by own admission, apple doesn't just suck period...

All people who make sweeping generalisations are wrong

they recommend against doing this for music though...



and i think he may have been thinking of using software of his choosing to access and play the music on the player

That's fair enough, but iTunes does do the job entirely satisfactorally for me

*shrug*

And the thing about drag and drop for music, yeah, I don't think the iPod would like that to be honest. To be frank, I use my iPod every day, it does exactly what I want - play my music, in the order I want, or a selection on shuffle or whatever - and it does it fine for me

NAS_Matty, I don't think you can do that with the Creative. But you can play music using their proprietary software.

The Micro isn't meant to be drag and drop, but if you configure the software/firmware to enable it, you can. I find their utility far superior for importing music though.

You do know he works (or at least I know he did) at apple, right? :p

I bought the creative.

OMG GOOD BECUZ MACS R EVIL N IF U BOUGHT THE MAC U WULD BE EVL TOO AN NOT NO NETHING ABOUT COMPUTERZ.

MB, I like you, and respect your opinion, but there's other reasons to get the Creative.

Sony is a million times better. I can honestly say that my Sony MP3 player has a battery life of literally at least 30 hours (it is rechargeable and takes 90 minutes to charge fully). Homey, return that Creative mofo and get some Japanese lovin'. Waard.

I wouldn't touch a Sony mp3 player with a 10 foot pole (unless it's one of the new ones that actually play mp3s).

I have the one that doesn't and it is fine. They have new ones, the 20 gig ones that actually DO play actual MP3s.

Neither. You want ogg vorbis or flac support. iTunes and it's DRM can **** off. The Neuros at least support ogg vorbis.

maybe that's what you want... and is there even a 4-6GB player that supports those formats?

See above edited message.

I hope you didnt take me seriously, I was just kidding around. I understand that there are other reasons, but there are people that are just saying "get the creative" because they hate macs :p

You mean that's not a valid reason to get a creative?

:p

What is with the warranty if I put Linux on the iPod? I have all my CDs ripped as OGG Vorbis, and till there is no decent OGG Vorbis player I won't buy a player anyway. But iPod + Linux should be capable of that. If I brake my iPod, and there is still Linux on it and I can't put the original software back on it, is the warranty lost?

Mystic0 :: The DRM on the iPod is only an issue if you buy songs from Apple. Anything ripped with iTunes works fine in other programs (and I don't know if it works with other players, but I don't need ot worry about that, because they obviously work with my iPod).

So basically, the DRM is only an issue if you choose to make it one. I've bought one album from the Apple store, and only because I couldn't get it cheaper anywhere else - I wasn't about to pirate it (I admit I'll download songs to 'test out' as if they were on the radio, and delete them if theyre crap, buy them if they're good) - because I knew I wanted a whole album.

I'll also admit, having found out the hard way it won't play in winamp or foobar (unless there are plugins/cracks that I haven't been bothered to look for) I won't be doing it again in a hurry. It's NOT however a slur on the iPod, which literally has nothing to do with DRM-ed songs, unless you choose to put them on it. All it stops is people getting songs from apple, and not playing them on non-apple systems, and copying the material multiple times for their friends.

But yeah, rant against iTunes store aside, the iPod is a good piece of hardware, as I'm sure the Creative is.

iRivers have native OGG Vorbis support.

Go with iRiver.

I think DJ Yoshi already tackled this one above...but I work for Apple :p

Apparently there are people developing software for Iriver that will allow it to play flac.

Which would be AWESOME.

Haha, I wasn't aware

But yeah, I know people have their complaints about apple: but like you said, they have great products. To be honest, that's all I care about! I'd rather stick up for apple than Microsoft round here... <.< I might get stoned by angry Linux people! :p

If I recall correctly you can always set the ipod back to factory state.

lol you're gonna need a witness protection plan of some sort :p

*Runs off to register new nick*

We've still got your IP. And that gives away more than your Nick :p

*Buys tin foil to craft into hat, to be worn underneath protective headgear*

Better?

a little snipping... there are ways to remove the DRM crap from those songs... otherwise i'd sell people my free song codes



except for the H10 it only supports MP3 and WMA and the flash players have limited ogg support (bitrate limits) but the 20+GB HD players support all the way up to 500Kbps ogg which is just beautiful

Following your logic, Celeron CPU's and Integrated GPU's should be really, really good. Popularity doesn't equal good.

I don't claim that 'logic' to be all encompassing - The reason Celerons are popular is because of the price - that's different. There are more variables in this equation.

I walk around durham and I see more white earbuds than any other - iPods are more popular than ANYTHING else in this city - and they are NOT cheap. Their popularity is a result of them being both a very good product, and one marketed perfectly, students are prime game for apple.

But yeah, whatever.

The H10 is...meh...it's not a really good iRiver in my opinion. The firmware is just too halfassed.

For flash drives, do you REALLY need full-blown OGG? They're usually used for working out and such, at least, that's their purpose.

And their H20+ is where iRiver really shines.

You know, making this kind of desicion is like eating an APPLE, you have to make sure it's a quality APPLE, what kind of color APPLE it is, what tree the APPLE came from. I say go with the Creative though.

The only problem i've ever had with an iPod is the software lockups (usually happens after it takes a hefty spill). It also scratches easily. Aside from those two problems, i've never had a problem with my G3 which has had many an encounter with a hard ground surface (and i've heared no complaints about the G4Mini), so i'll have to say iPod.

You see the thing about "Brushed Steel iPods" Kevin Rose did on TSS? I'd google it. Interesting stuff...looks nifty, especially if yours is uberscratched.

yeah i know... and when i do get a flash player i'm not even going iriver... i decided on the Creative MuVo TX FM

Good choice.