What do you think about wearing fur in general? Where is the line drawn between wearing say a leather belt and, well, this:


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12461972-38200,00.html



Apparently wearing unborn lamb foetus is 'fashionable' these days.

I really don't care.

I have to agree with Rob.

We eat meat, it's a byproduct. Some people take it a step too far. I wouldn't wear fur, mainly because it looks ridiculous on blokes, but leather - I've got leather shoes, belts and a 3/4 length jacket.

Hard to draw a line I agree.

/Goes away to ponder for a while
//Didn't vote

Leather I dont have a problem with. But this....


Normally I consider PETA to be a bunch of hippie commies, but this time I agree with them. This is just plain sick. The ****ers responsible for this should be slowly castrated with a dull, rusty butterknife, then thrown into a pen to be trampled to death by a stampede of pissed-off sheep...

Yeah, it sounds disgusting, but when you think of it, it's not really any worse than any other animal products like leather. No one care about leather though.

I think it all lies in the the wording. Using words like "slaughtered" and "ripped from her belly." PETA does the same thing with the process of butchering animals for food. I personally think they find the worse process and then elaborate. But I do remember watching a show about baby seals being slaughtered for their fur or maybe it was a cartoon...I think the one seal talked...meh...it was still sad.

I have to agree with those who don't care. For me, this is no different than butchering animals for their meat.

I have a lambskin coat.

I don't care much about it. I wear a leather trench myself, so it'd be silly for me to say it's bad. However, generally, I don't really think fur looks all that good on people.

Isn't leather just taken from cows that are killed for some other purpose anyway?

I'd imagine so. Namely meat.

The thing about fur is that it's not a by-product. With leather, the animal can be slaughtered for the meat and then the hide used to make leather. With fur, the animal has to be killed specifically for the pelt. That's fairly barbaric.

I'm not sure on the exact details, but I think I remember reading that the method you have to use to get a good piece of fur is quite painful for the animal involved. That may or may not be correct.

This animal suffering is done solely for the basis of fashion. It's a status symbol. That's fairly sick.

So yeah, I voted "sick and barbaric".

Interestingly, they seem to have this new designation: you can have fake fur, real fur, or farmed fur. Which seems to be animals bred specifically to be killed for fur. Not only killed specifically for their pelt, but bred specifically for it. Doesn't that seem somehow wrong to anyone? I'm not a PETA supporter, I think most of the stuff they do is wrong, but on the issue of fur, I'm totally on the side of the animals. It's not even as though fake fur is worse than real fur - the hairs on real fur come away from the pelt under mild pulling. Fake fur is actually going to last better than real fur.

Animals should only be killed when it comes to human survival or when there are no suitable alternatives for a reasonable cost. For instance, leather shoes are generally cheaper than so-called vegan shoes, and I wouldn't expect the average family to be able to afford them. As with most things, it's about moderation.

Murdering animals for the sake of fashion is "sick and barbaric" as well as immoral. It's our responsibility, as humans, to be the caretakers of our environment as well as the living organisms within, simple because we're able to do so, to an extent. Humans are the kings and queens of this world, and we must ask ourselves if we want to be compassionate leaders who value all life, or tyrants.

Meh, I think it's barbaric -- but then so am I.

I can't see much point in foetus fur, though. It doesn't seem like it'd be very warm. That's kinda the point of fur. Other than fashion. I have no use for fashion.

But that's another subject entirely.

The difference between fur and leather is that the leather is a by-product of cows that are slaughtered for food (plus, nearly all the cow is used in some way) Most animals raised for fur and just killed for their fur. The rest goes to waste.

i don't really care

as long as they aren't skinning the animal alive it doesn't bother me

The fact that the animals are killed purely for fashion and luxury is disgusting in itself. The thought of walking around proudly in something else's skin is enough to make me want to projectile vomit.

No fur for me. D:

That's what animals are for.

Animals skinned alive for USA fur market

Hmmm... some reports are saying that animals are skinned alived.

This girl at my school kicked me in the leg for wearing a down filled coat...then she bent over to wipe off her suede shoes and a bottle of glue fell out of her leather purse.

I hope she realized that down isn't painfully taken (at least from my understanding), or taken with very little pain.

My joke has been twarted

I was just addressing it. I got the joke :p

The standing rule is: If anybody damages my leather coat in any way, paint or otherwise, I skin them and their friends to make a new coat.

I openly advertise this to anybody who makes an objection. I don't care whose leather I have to wear.

<3

My leather coat is better.

My dad almost died in it.

You know why no-one cares about leather?
Bikies wear leather.
Even hippies are too smart to throw paint on a bikie.

Now that's definitely not good.

My not caring comes in the form of "As long as it's not my cat".

I'm sometimes suprised by the lack of compassion that is evident in people who live in civilized society. I suppose it's just difficult for some humans to relate to a living being that isn't of their own species. It's easy to write off the disease of apathy as idiocy, but I know that this would be to take the easy route, and I know that there are intelligent people who suffer from it. The truth is, I'm not quite sure why many humans lack the ability to feel compassion for living beings other than themselves or those outside of their species, but I hope and pray that they're one day able to overcome their deficiency.

I'm of a rare sociopathic breed that would also relate that I don't care if somebody dies unless they're directly related to me. I'm not opposed to watching another human being suffer in pain to the point of death. I've been the witness to 4 executions in 3 different states. *shrug* If it doesn't affect me, then I find it hard to care.

Desensitization isn't necessarily a bad thing. If people were to start thinking more rationally instead of erratically based on emotions, the world would progress faster. You know, that whole survival of the fittest thing? Darwin wasn't wrong.

You are wrong in assuming it's always the lack of the ability to feel compassion. It's just that creatures eat and use other creatures. That's how things have always been, and still are. If you are lacking the ability to do that, you are lacking a natural part of humanity. And I'm not saying it's the only way humanity should be, but it's natural, nonetheless.

(Though skinning animals alive does cross my limits.)

Hmm. Aborting animals is wrong, but aborting humans is ok?

An interesting change of tack: but that's not the issue Obi. If you want to talk about that, I'd recommend another thread - it'll just complicate this one.

This is about abuse, not abortion.