Voted Jedi Knight Dark Forces 2 the 21st best game of all time, out of 50.
I thought that was pretty cool.
What I didn't think was very cool was that Deus Ex was 27 :(.

Anyway, yeah, just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone who hasn't seen the lastest issue.

Oregon Trail better have been number one.

Half Life.

Deus Ex was 27?!

Stupid, stupid people. I demand it be in the top ten!

Where was Homeworld and Starcraft.

That is all I need to know to see the value of that list.

Oh, and Grim Fandango too.

Think you can post the entire list?

Which PC Gamer was that?

#1 in Swedish PC Gamer was Grim Fandango.

The worst part is that Deus Ex was #10 or so last time.

I can remember when Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II was near the top of that list. PC Gamer once stated that CTF was one of the main aspects that made JK so great, and I'd have to agree.

I was never a fan of Deus Ex.

amen!

1. Half Life
2. Doom
3. Civilization II
4. Half Life 2
5. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness
6. Diablo
7. Starcraft
8. X-Com: UFO Defense
9. Battlefield 1942
10. Fallout
11. Baldur's Gate
12. GTA III
13. Star Wars: TIE Fighter (w00t!)
14. Ghost Recon
15. Duke Nukem 3D
16. Diablo II
17. C&C: Red Alert
18. Far Cry
19. KOTOR
20. Call of Duty
21. Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight
22. Rainbow Six
23. The Sims
24. Everquest
25. Heroes of Might and Magic III: the Restoration of Erathia
26. Quake
27. Deus Ex
28. NFS: Porsche Unleashed
29. SimCity 2000
30. UT 2004
31. MechWarrior2
32. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
33. The Beast Within: a Gabriel Knight Mystery
34. Total Annigilation
35. Neverwinter Nights
36. Rise of Nations
37. Tomb Raider
38. Beavis & Butt-head in Virtual Stupidity
39. System Shock 2
40. IL2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles
41. Max Payne
42. Panzer General
43. High Heat MLB 2002
44. Master of Orion
45. Sam & Max Hit the Road
46. Homeworld
47. Worms Armageddon
48. Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger
49. The Secret of Monkey Island
50. Freedom Force

the whole "Half-Life in the #1 spot" theme from the past 5 years is getting really old.

half life deserved to be number one, i think. glad to see some of the ad&d stuff like baldurs gate was in it.

Doom in slot 2!!??!!!

No way... Duke3D has always been better than Doom in every way!

Oh well, at least the majority of my favorites are on that list.

How'd they come about creating this list? Was there a poll of somesort. If so, some of the voters might not of even been old enough to really played some of those games on the list. Not only that, but when you take into consider the sheer volumes of people who have come to the PC gaming world in just the last 3 years, of course they'd vote for the newer games they've actually played...

If it came from 1 person or a small group of people who were actually old enough to play all those games, then it doesn't account for very good statistical "sampling", IMO.

From my understanding, it's just a list based on the opinions of the PC Gamer staff.

It's just a list.

Here's my list of crappiest lists of all time:

1. PC Gamer Top 50 Games of All Time

I like how Beavis and Butt-head in Virtual Stupidity is on there

God I loved that game.

No.

Yes.

Deus Ex is 27. Half-life should not be 1. Doom or wolf3d should be.

X-com should be higher up.

Master of Orion should be MUCH higher up.

Sims should be higher up.

Starcraft should be lower.

Neverwinter nights should be higher.

Jedi Knight should be higher.

System Shock 2 should be MUCH higher.

Bah... I don't like your list, IMO I think:

Doom or Wolf3d can't be number one but definetly higher end.

X-Com definetly needs to be higher.

StarCraft shouldn't be lower, it definetly beats out other startegy games like WarCraft but should be tied with Diablo.

Everything else I agree with.

I thinkt hat list is about right, though I've never played doom. I have 13 of those in my possesion, which is cool. It's too bad that I can't play my DOS games anymore.

I wasted SOOO many hours playing hock-a-loogie.

It's not their opinions, they actually have that seperate. They rated the games (and they've moved around some since last time) according to their effects on the gaming industry, and all around kickass-ness

that list is quite bad, i think, descent should be on there, and so should age of empires. starcraft deserves to be higher then warcraft i think. system shock 2 should have been ALOT higher definetly. and wtf??? wolf3d isnt even on there!!!:mad:

Doom is number 2. It needs to be number 1.

Starcraft was ok, but it wasn't revolutionary. I much prefer Warcraft III. Total Annihilation should be close, if not better, than starcraft.

I love how Half-Life 2 is in the top 5...and Doom 3 isn't on the top 50...Yes indeed. I do love it. (Okay so Doom is on there, but not Doom 3 so HA!)

It's really funny, because DooM 3 has revolutionary lighting, and HL2 has revolutionary texturing.

Fancy that.

Whatever though, I don't want to start a D3 vs HL2 war or anything. My point that Deus Ex needs to be way up there still stands.

I don't think that HL2 deserved to be on that last. Seriously, besides the nice graphics, what's so revolutionary about it? Nothing.

The gameplay, the engine, and the complex facial animations?

THE ATMOSPHERE


Half-Life 2 deserved to be above Half-Life.

Where's counter-strike? Isn't it the most played multiplayer game of all time?

Starcraft was better than tides of darkness in every aspect.

Diablo 2 was better than Diablo in every aspect.

Yeah I don't know why Diablo is on there as well as Diablo II.

Civilization 2 and WC 2 are certainly where they should be. I gotta say I'd have expected NWN to be a bit higher. But I find it very cool the original Master of Orion is there. That game rocked when it was hot, so many years ago. But that's also a game that divided opinions pretty heavily.

This isnt the most influential games of all time, its the best, and simply, half life is better than doom.

I don't think Wolf3d should have a high place in any list.

The game that really did it for the first person shooter genre was Doom in my opinion.

...Thief didn't make that list. Why?

DF/JK used to be #5 on the their list, making it the #2 first person shooter of all time. PC Gamer has been giving blow jobs to Valve since 1998, Half-Life being #1 doesn't suprise me. I'm not really sure what Half-Life did that no one else was about to do. Perhaps it was well done, but I don't recall anything particularly innovative, apart from maybe shooting down some enemy aircraft.