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Apple has an idea...
2005-03-16, 12:06 PM #1
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=951

...prehaps include a two-button mouse?
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2005-03-16, 12:10 PM #2
*gasp* What innovation! The best technological devolpement of the year! </sarcasm>
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2005-03-16, 12:12 PM #3
I've always liked the one button mouse, it is very elegant. And Apple is all about elegance.

Exept the round iMac mouse. I never learned to use it properly, it gave me cramps.
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2005-03-16, 12:54 PM #4
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2005-03-16, 1:09 PM #5
All of the Macs in the computer lab at my school have two button Microsoft mice hooked up to them. I don't get what the big issue is. Just slap an apple logo on a multi-button mouse!
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2005-03-16, 1:36 PM #6
i don't think apple slaps their logos on anything someone else makes... though they do sell a lot of 3rd party hardware on their site and in their stores.

i don't really care if they still use one button mice... you don't have to buy it. when you buy a system the mouse and keyboard aren't bundled.

/me huggles his Logitech kb and MX1000 mouse
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2005-03-16, 1:37 PM #7
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The two-button wireless optical mouse would likely debut at the $69 price point once reserved for the company's current wireless mouse.


Who'd pay so much for a mouse?!? :confused:
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2005-03-16, 1:43 PM #8
Apple is soooo slow...
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2005-03-16, 2:34 PM #9
Well it wasn't really needed until now... :p
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2005-03-16, 2:44 PM #10
While they're at it, why don't they just slap as many buttons on there as they can? I love mouse buttons, they're like crack. If every point on a mouse was pressure sensitive and could be programmed to perform an action, i'd still demand more mouse buttons. MMmm.
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2005-03-16, 2:45 PM #11
I hate Mac PC's. I've never had a good experience with them.
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2005-03-16, 3:04 PM #12
I love macs. They... god forbid... work! The only thing windows is good for is gaming.
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2005-03-16, 3:25 PM #13
I'd love to have been there for the brainstorming session...


board member 1: Oh! What if we put a SECOND button on the mouse... so when you use it, a DIALOGUE pops up that has all sorts of USEFUL features pertaining to the item the pointer was hovering over... BRILLIANT!!

board member 2: wait... that's just like all the other PCs on the mar...

board member 3: *tosses a rock at board member 2's head* BRILLIANT!
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2005-03-16, 3:42 PM #14
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Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY
I love macs. They... god forbid... work! The only thing windows is good for is gaming.


funny... every PC ive come into contact to... works!
2005-03-16, 3:54 PM #15
I hate the interface that Macs use. It just bothers me and it seems horribly inefficient.
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2005-03-16, 3:58 PM #16
Oh, Cazor.

I believe, and I think that you know too (and wanted to pick a fight), that he meant that Apple computers are often less prone to crashes and other problems than other PCs.

This is for a number of good reasons:
  • Apple software is tailored to its hardware.
  • The few Apple software developers generally seem to ensure that their software works well with other Apple software (and hardware).
  • Correct me if I am wrong, but OSX is based off of a BSD variant, which is obviously very stable inherently.
  • Apple started from an extremely stable base far more recently than 1988 (NT).

Among other things my ignorant mind doesn't know.
2005-03-16, 4:00 PM #17
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Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY
I love macs. They... god forbid... work! The only thing windows is good for is gaming.

In college we used Macs for word processing. Here's a very serious bug for you: whenever you'd save your document onto a floppy, and then swap the floppy for another without closing the document, the system would ask you for the first floppy (entirely normal). Put the floppy back in, and watch the computer ask you for it again. And again. And again. Until you reset the computer.

Don't go praising Apple like everything they make is the shiznit. Macs can just as unstable as your everyday PC. On either side, with someone who knows what they're doing being the keyboard, each system can run perfectly. ...
2005-03-16, 4:28 PM #18
I agree that a skilled computer user will have fewer problems, but you cannot discount the differences in stability between Windows and Unix-based systems (for the PC). I think that would be absurd.

I will choose to ignore the comment at the end in hopes that it was a brain fart. What did he do to deserve that comment?
2005-03-16, 4:29 PM #19
I've had macs crash on me more than Windows. I use windows day-in and day-out for everything, and I never crash, but the minute I surf the internet at school on their macs, kabloom.

And no, I am not saying that Macs crash all the time, but I havn't had a crash on my Windows machine in over a year, and just today a mac crashed on me at school.
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2005-03-16, 4:31 PM #20
As Shintock said - it takes skilled users (that includes system administrators for networked computers) to keep systems in line. You have more control over your home computers. At my school, we run Windows XP and I have similar problems. Crashes whenever I use them.
2005-03-16, 4:59 PM #21
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Originally posted by Hebedee
I agree that a skilled computer user will have fewer problems, but you cannot discount the differences in stability between Windows and Unix-based systems (for the PC). I think that would be absurd.

A person using a Unix-based system is more than likely a skilled user. Couple that with Unix's reputated stability, and you have a bullet-proof system. However, I have heard on numerous accounts that Mac OS X is not quite as stable as Unix, even though its roots are in Unix.

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I will choose to ignore the comment at the end in hopes that it was a brain fart. What did he do to deserve that comment?

Editted. Fanboyism should be against the rules. :p
2005-03-16, 5:05 PM #22
You're right that OSX is not quite as stable, and that UNIX users are more likely to be skilled, but I meant in terms of OSX - but the distinction, to me, is that a somewhat buggy operating system built on a stable foundation will be superior, any day, to a buggy operating system built on an apparently less stable foundation.

Allow me to clarify that my primary machine is running Windows XP. I have investigated OSX and used machines running it extensively and prefer its stability and usablity to Windows, but I also know that at this point in the game Windows is more practical.
2005-03-16, 5:06 PM #23
OS9 is the hugest pile of crap I've ever used. I crashed less with windows Me....a lot less. In fact, I was quite happy with Me. OSX, I haven't used, i've heard it's much better...but people have been saying that Macs are stable sicne the beginning of time, and let me tell you, if OS9 is any indication, OSX must be the only good version.
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2005-03-16, 5:17 PM #24
I don't even know why you guys complain about stability. Wtf? My windows has never crashed, EVER. I have never had a problem with disk whipes or anything of that sort that some of you complain about and I wonder what the heck are you doing to cause that? I use a mac almost every day at my crappy school and not one time has one not crashed on me at least twice .
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2005-03-16, 5:20 PM #25
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Originally posted by BobTheMasher
OS9 is the hugest pile of crap I've ever used. I crashed less with windows Me....a lot less. In fact, I was quite happy with Me. OSX, I haven't used, i've heard it's much better...but people have been saying that Macs are stable sicne the beginning of time, and let me tell you, if OS9 is any indication, OSX must be the only good version.
The Macs at my old school were also on OS 9. It sucks big time.

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Originally posted by Hebedee
I have investigated OSX and used machines running it extensively and prefer its stability and usablity to Windows, but I also know that at this point in the game Windows is more practical.

Sure, but some people bash PC's just because Mac OS X can be more stable than Windows. They're obviously not thinking about the several easy-to-use entry-level Linux distributions available that give them the same ease-of-use and stability of OS X. Distros such as Fedora Core and Debian are incredibly simple to maintain and install, even more so than Windows.

The only thing I'd want a Mac for, is for my studio work. And even then, most of my audio applications are for Windows only. I'd have to switch programs ($$$), and I'm used to Sonar, so I don't see that happening.
2005-03-16, 5:55 PM #26
Excellent reasoning.

I knew at some point someone would bring Linux into the equation. I agree that on all fronts, if someone is cabable of using it, they should use it. If something's broken, you can fix it. You learn more, you understand more, you have more control, and it's just fun.
2005-03-16, 6:04 PM #27
Alls I know is, Ive had an iBook since May last year, and have enjoyed it much more than a PC. As a novice, OS X seems to be more efficient and much more stable. To a novice that is.
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2005-03-16, 6:20 PM #28
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Originally posted by Hebedee
Excellent reasoning.

Thank you. :)
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Originally posted by Hebedee
I knew at some point someone would bring Linux into the equation. I agree that on all fronts, if someone is cabable of using it, they should use it. If something's broken, you can fix it. You learn more, you understand more, you have more control, and it's just fun.

Definitely. I moved from Mandrake, to Red Hat, to a Knoppix HD-install and then to Gentoo, and I can easily argue that Linux makes as a good of a desktop OS, if not better than, Windows XP, gaming aside. Even for gaming, I can play all of my Steam HL2 Silver account games in Linux. Never a crash, never a reboot. Debian users can use Synaptic (IIRC) to download as install programs (as a frontend to apt), as easily as checking the name and clicking "ok." I don't see Windows OR OS X doing that for anyone.
2005-03-16, 6:21 PM #29
#1 reason why macs appear more stable: Helluva lot less hardware and software support. Macs don't need support for every sound card and hard drive and CPU made in the past 20 years. Macs are made in a very controlled environment, with only Mac parts. It works just like consoles. Consoles get to be much more stable, because developers can concentrate on just one type of hardware.

In addition, Windows can be very stable. At the moment, my desktop has not be rebooted in... 3wks 3days 5hrs 13mins 54secs. Not a bad uptime, for a gaming computer.

But the thing we must factor in over anything else is user stupidity. You put a complete moron behind the keyboard of any computer, and it'll be crashing in days. Doesn't matter what OS you are using, it's a fact of life.
2005-03-16, 6:25 PM #30
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Originally posted by Cool Matty
#1 reason why macs appear more stable: Helluva lot less hardware and software support. Macs don't need support for every sound card and hard drive and CPU made in the past 20 years. Macs are made in a very controlled environment, with only Mac parts. It works just like consoles. Consoles get to be much more stable, because developers can concentrate on just one type of hardware.

In addition, Windows can be very stable. At the moment, my desktop has not be rebooted in... 3wks 3days 5hrs 13mins 54secs. Not a bad uptime, for a gaming computer.

But the thing we must factor in over anything else is user stupidity. You put a complete moron behind the keyboard of any computer, and it'll be crashing in days. Doesn't matter what OS you are using, it's a fact of life.


But the fact remains that really, Macs (using OSX) on the whole are a lot more stable than Windows computers.

Swallow your pride and admit it--I have, and I haven't burst into flames for betraying the PC gods yet :p
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2005-03-16, 7:01 PM #31
your mom burst into flames last night

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2005-03-16, 7:08 PM #32
Why do these threads always have to end up as a debate? Both macs and pcs work great, people have preferences so leave it alone.

And as far as the mice go, I've always used a two-button mouse for macs but it's about damned time they started doing this...jesus!
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2005-03-16, 7:16 PM #33
I wish you people would realize that both Apple and Microsoft are large corporations that are only interested in taking as much of your money as they can, and there's no reason to prejudice yourself against one or another. It's silly.
2005-03-16, 7:19 PM #34
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/why_apple_makes_a_one_buttoned_mouse_01280820/

What does that say about your average Mac user I wonder?
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2005-03-16, 8:41 PM #35
My friend has a Mac and he says it's good because they don't get viruses and flus like PCs, and that you don't have to de-frak the tower.
So that does sound pretty good, maybe I'll try one someday.
2005-03-16, 8:58 PM #36
What is flus and de-fraking?
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2005-03-16, 9:30 PM #37
see, I've used mac OSX a few months ago, and I didn't like it too much, even though it is unix-derived. They oversimplified the hell out of it, and the interface is like someone puked cuteness all over it. I wish I could replace it with KDE.

On a bright note, the administrator created a separate admin account, but left the root account alone and never used it. He's either very careless, or doesn't know unix well enough to know what its for. I basically have administrator access when i'm not supposed to b/c he just left the root password as "root." Brilliant. :rolleyes:
2005-03-16, 9:38 PM #38
Ironic, indeed, page, that we were discussing that UNIX in the hands of a skilled person was stable and secure.

We haven't even discussed the can of worms having Unix under OSX with an unskilled guy can open.

Shintock: I had almost the same progression. I went Red Hat , Mandrake, a little bit of Slack, Knoppix HD, Debian, then Gentoo. I love Gentoo so bad. And there are sweet front ends to Portage in Gentoo as well. I much prefer portage to dpkg, any day.
2005-03-16, 9:52 PM #39
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Originally posted by Hebedee


We haven't even discussed the can of worms having Unix under OSX with an unskilled guy can open.



Indeed. As root, I am essentially omnipotent on that computer. My actions are divinely ordained as far as OSx is concerned. I could even delete his admin account if I wanted to. However, he's pretty cool, so i wouldn't ever do that.
2005-03-16, 10:02 PM #40
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Originally posted by Is_907
i don't think apple slaps their logos on anything someone else makes

What are you talking about? Apple doesn't have anywhere near the manufacturing capabilities to do all that. Most components are bought from other places. And not just resistors and anchovies...I have an Apple Trinitron that is literally a Sony in an Apple casing. They probably don't make their own LCDs, they sure don't make their own hard drives or CPUs.
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