mine is that smart-a** paper clip that was introduced in Word 97. It was just the way it looked at you, kind of like it was thinking about jumping you the minute you turned your back. Sneaky little b@stard...

My close second has to be the dog in the search feature in windows xp. Why did they get rid of the old search feature (which was one of the best parts of win9x) and replace it with something more complicated yet which has no real improvements?

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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited April 28, 2004).]

I hate the way program icons appear at the top of the Start menu... I know I can move them, but its just damn annoying to open the menu, see the directorys you can browse... and see a load of stupid-assed icons above them that serve no real purpose because they're in a better location anyway.

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Drugs & Stupidity, Tons of it.

most hated M$ thing? Palidum

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<kak> WHY DO THESE RETARDS CONTINUALLY TRY LINUX?
<kak> IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU COOL.

hate to be the nazi, but it's Palladium

and yeah, it's the thing I hate the most too, if it ever gets through...

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* Wolfy goes around singing "I'm too sexy for Seb's body"
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Very true. However, if palladium becomes entrenched, Linux is going to have a huge surge in popularity as many pissed-off windows users change sides.

A lot of people already hate microsoft, but forcing TC onto the populace is going to be the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.

There's also going to be an apocalyptic class action suit against microsoft if paladium starts to remote-censor everything and lock people out of their own files for whatever reason.




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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

My most hated M$ idea - making all the default (installation) settings U.S.

But seriously, I agree with Pagewizard about that nasty little paper-clip... Failing that, I don't like the default WinXP start menu - the way everything is re-arranged from previous "standard" versions of Windows and nothing but the recycle bin on the desktop. I know you can switch to classic view and all but it's the principle of the thing - I want an environment that I'm in control of (yes - I'm aware that I'm bear-baiting the Linux vs M$ issue here... ), rather than have more than 1/2 of the options hidden from me, or at least have them "shuffle" too different places.

And I feel it has to be asked (at least with WinXP) - what the HECK is going on with (what can only be described as) that gaudy blue/green taskbar colour scheme, and window buttons (min/restore/close) that are so large and chunky you could fit a small island on them? Were they designed for people who have difficulty clicking on the buttons in 600x480 screen-size resolution? The logic baffles me...

Anyways... I've finished (for now)

-Jackpot

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"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

I'd have to say my most hated Microsoft idea, though not implemented, is the concept of charging money to send emails.

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"It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."

-Albert Einstein

Palladium and the fact that chip manufacturers may be onboard with it.

I predict Linux and Sun will become very big if Palladium comes about.

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babble, babble, b!tch, b!tch, rebel, rebel, party, party.

Pallidium.

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B'tduz: A popular dwarfish game which consists of standing a few feet apart and throwing large rocks at one another's head.

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It would cut back on spam, but it's still not something you should pay for. Besides, how are they going to implement something like that?



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

With control?

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I check my e-mail.

How are Linux and Sun going to become big if the majority of people are too stupid to realize what Palladium will actually do to them? Now, I'm all for Open Source, but I don't think there will be as big of a change as people are predicting there will be. Unfortuneately, I think we'll all just have to conform or work around it.

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When did it come to this...

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

What was the worst idea the Microsoft ever came up with.


It would have to be the Windows 9x days. Surely, Windows 95 before Internet Explorer was nice because it was just a DOS Enhancement. But what was wrong with DOS. If you ever changed computers, all you had to do was xcopy your whole harddrive and be done with it. In Windows, it's reinstall everything. So Thus Windows 9x was the worst idea ever.



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What's Palladium?

As for my most hated idea, i'd have to say it was something about Direct X 10 not having to install games because it would download stuff straight to your comp. without asking

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"Bill Gates Gone Wild"

TOO HOT FOR TV! YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THIS NERD DOES WHEN WE GIVE HIM A VIDEO CAMERA!

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The whole idea of Microsoft even getting into security is horrible. I want my operating system to interface with my files and programs, not block me from them. Indeed Palladium needs to die.

While the majority of people will be too stupid to notice Palladium doing anything different, or they won't be affected by it, Microsoft will lose a lot of customers who put up with their products because of necessity. A lot of the more computer-saavy folk will switch either to Macs or Linux. Hopefully they'll take some knowledge with them and share it so that programs like Wine and Winex will work a lot better than they do know. That would eliminate the need for any Microsoft products.

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Our very existence is at stake

Id say, but then Id get banned.

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

I hate Microsoft because it is becoming a greater and more popular target for OS-related jokes.

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Palla-whatever.

or Bob.

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Microsoft is thriving because of the American public's knowledge of technology. Through out "security" and "protection" and you have won about 85% of your target audience. And with today's times they get a +3 bonus on their marketing rolls.

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I'm no expert, but essentially it is a way of controlling your computer. For eg, e-mails might only be able to be stored for 2 weeks, mp3s might only play until a certain date, word documents might only be readable on a few machines. All in the name of "security" and protecting "intellectual property" etc.

Basically you will need "permission" or "keys" to do certain actions on your computer. Another example, might be that they prevent you from copying mp3 from one folder to another and also prevent you renaming the file. This way you can't share it and you can't get around it.

Someone else can probably explain it better than me. But this and the fact that I really don't like XP or the anything about what I've heard about Longhorn is why I have stuck to 98se and am delving into the linux world.

Ironically, my Suse 9.0 pro distribution just arrived today

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[This message has been edited by Run (edited April 29, 2004).]

XP is far superior to 9x in everything save networking.

XP networking is voodoo magic. Sure, plug everything in and it'll work fine! Until you think about breathing on it, and it'll implode and never work again. It's crazy. Also I have two computers running the exact same copy of XP pro and same setup, and one allows me to share C:/Program Files and C:/Windows and the other doesn't. Crazy stuff.

Everyone saying that Linux et al will gain from people jumping ship if MS implement Palladium don't seem to have quite read all the fine print.

If anything, it will tie computer users even more tightly to Windows and other closed source OS alternatives.

The reason why is pretty obvious. Imagine yourself as a Record Company Exec. You know that people sharing files is the sole reason your business is failing [Note: this is the Record Exec's opinion, not mine] and you are faced with a choice. You can release your records as you have been doing, and soon or later (probably sooner) you will find that people are copying the file and swapping it on all those evil P2P networks. Alternatively, release your record with unbreakable DRM, so that the only way the data can be read is by an approved program that cannot be coerced into copying the contents of the file, running on an OS that will not let you access the memory to do it yourself, nor let any other process on the system access that memory.
Hard choice? Not really.

Now we find that 90% [Note: Made up statistic] of mainstream media is being released in DRM format. As a normal home user of computers, are you going to try out Linux, when there is no chance you're going to be able to read any of these files?
Okay, so you're not bothered about music - you'll settle for the lower quality of digital->analogue->digital recording where someone's recorded the output of their speakers. Despite the fact that these will require much more effort to find.
But what about when your friend who still uses Windows sends you a document via e-mail. It'll be DRMed by default, and do you think the average user is going to know how to turn off DRM? Do you think it'll even be an option? [Note: I don't know how easy Microsoft are going to make it to make unprotected files. Even a file that is free from restrictions can still be a DRM protected file]

So next time you want to say "It's alright, I'm on Linux. Palladium won't affect me" please stop, think and realise you're going to be affected by this whether you like it or not. Of course, there will probably be workarounds for some of the problems, but it's not going to be convenient. Anyone not on DRM will start finding themselves locked out of much of the content.

And if anyone still doesn't know about this (I noticed a few "What's Palladium?" posts when I was reading the thread) here's the FAQ on why it's bad:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Right lets all go back to does and live in the 8 bit world... you gonna have to get over something... technology was advancing Dos was becoming obsolete they had to make something like Windows 9x.

All versions of windows have their good sides and their bad sides. Hell I even saw ME work for me 4 times that has to be worth something to a man who doesn't want to be bothered messing with Linux.


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<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

.........Windows?

someone had too!

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PS: I wouldn't trust that paper-clip if my life depended on it!

...*suddenly remembers a report that was due in with accss only to Office 97... *



-Jackpot

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"Life is mostly froth and bubble,
But two things stand in stone,
Kindness in another's trouble,
Courage in your own"
("Ye Wearie Wayfarer" - by Adam Lindsay Gordon)

Hee, there's a Matrix picture (or movie file?) that has clippy in it... It's quite funny, but I can't remember where it was..

<3

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<Outlaw_Torn> you mean your related to that damned sasquatch, Mech?
<MechWarrior> Lets just say the part of the family tree that does fork has bossy the goat in it.

<ubuu> does hitler have a last name?

Microsoft Bob.

And what in the name of moon is Palladium? Sounds like a metal to me.

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

Most hated Microsoft idea eh...?

Definitely the fact that they decided to use filenames that are incompatible with their base OS! What its up with that?

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sig·na·ture n.

A distinctive mark, characteristic, or sound indicating identity.

Even if Palladium becomes commonplace, linux users will still be immune, right?


The way I see it, (correct me if I'm wrong) TC would be impossible to apply to linux b/c of linux's unique non-standardized distro system. If a TC distro was even developed, people would either a. not use it at all or b. modify the source and release a build that has TC disabled or removed.


It seems to me that The only way that microsoft and the TC people could take linux out of the equation would be to make it so the newest hardware only works on TC Windows. Even then, they would have failed b/c people would simply keep using linux on their old PCs (and there are plenty of them) and there would be a massive lawsuit filed on the behalf of linux if this should ever happen.

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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited April 29, 2004).]

You point out half the reason Linux users would be affected in your next statement



Yes, it would be impossible to apply to Linux. Effectively anything released under the GPL would be impossible to get running under TCPA.

The other half of the problem is that only TCPA apps will be able to read the data in DRM protected files. Therefore Linux users will be locked out of anything that exists DRMed. Then wait until Microsoft start tying in networking protocols to TCPA. Then you won't even be able to communicate with a TCPA enabled computer. Lovely.

Then just wait till more of the internet is hosted on these abominations, linux users wont even be able to access the web.

Oh, and you think software is expensive now? Just wait... the TCPA basically gives MS a legal monopoly, so they will be able to charge *any* amount they want for their software. Oh, yeah, and everyone else will have to raise their prices too, because they will have to get their software "certified" with MS.


These are dark days...

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<landfish> FastGamerr > Satan

Maybe the linux community could create a new networking protocol. I'm sure that many a system administrator sympathesizes with the linux cause, so I predict that such a protocol, if developed, would find its way onto most of the servers that are out there.




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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

Unless those servers are MS servers, and MS fixes the OS so that only their modified version of TCP/IP is supported...

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

That should be blatantly illegal, if it isn't already.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.