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Discrimination in Selective Service
2004-05-04, 8:52 AM #1
Only men have to register for the military in the USA when they are 18. Huh? Holy sexism batman. Women can now serve in the military, I think it's about time they have to register for the draft as well.

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2004-05-04, 9:03 AM #2
I concur.

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2004-05-04, 9:26 AM #3
You still have a draft? O_o

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2004-05-04, 9:31 AM #4
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Flexor:
You still have a draft? O_o

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Yes, all males in the U.S. have to register for the selective service when they turn 18.

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2004-05-04, 9:31 AM #5
We still have to register for it in case we ever have to use it. We also have a draft board, also in case we ever need to start drafting mofos.
2004-05-04, 9:44 AM #6
...except the draft is mainly used to fill the front lines, and women aren't allowed into combat roles.

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2004-05-04, 9:52 AM #7
Really?? I thought they were, but if they aren't thats good. Equal rights or not women aren't designed for any form of fighting.

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2004-05-04, 10:00 AM #8
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2004-05-04, 10:01 AM #9
"Equal rites" aside (hehehe), I dont believe women should be forced to serve in the military. If they want to, sure, but dont force them.

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2004-05-04, 10:05 AM #10
I dont think that anyone should be forced to serve in the military.

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2004-05-04, 10:05 AM #11
Anyone else find it odd how you don't hear any feminists clamouring to be sent to the front lines?
2004-05-04, 10:12 AM #12
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi:
I dont think that anyone should be forced to serve in the military.

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2004-05-04, 10:42 AM #13
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DrakenX:
Anyone else find it odd how you don't hear any feminists clamouring to be sent to the front lines?</font>



That's not true.

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2004-05-04, 10:43 AM #14
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DrakenX:
Anyone else find it odd how you don't hear any feminists clamouring to be sent to the front lines?</font>


It's because they (and every other special interest group) have agendas. They want the good but not the bad.

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2004-05-04, 10:44 AM #15
Israel has a mandatory 1 year military term for both women and men. I don't mind the Selective Service at all, and would rather men be requird for it then women.

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2004-05-04, 10:57 AM #16
Women should have to sign up for the Selective Service as well. That doesn't mean they will fill combat positions, but they can still serve in the military in mnay positions just as well as any man.

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2004-05-04, 11:02 AM #17
Except that supporting roles don't need the massive amounts of people a draft would bring in. Logistics positions don't suffer heavy losses. They can refill their ranks through basic recruitment.

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2004-05-04, 11:08 AM #18
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheJkWhoSaysNi:
I dont think that anyone should be forced to serve in the military.

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But war is necessary, and so occationally a draft is needed to support it. And i don't mean that war is good or anything, jsut that is what human beings do, almost by default, and so it always happens, in some form.

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2004-05-04, 11:37 AM #19
I'm gonna have to register pretty soon, and was surprised when the card I got for guys(the front of the pamphlet had "Hey Guys" on it) to send in had you check a box for your sex. Are they expecting girls to register for the fun of it?

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2004-05-04, 11:54 AM #20
It's just in case you decide to change that in the near future.

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2004-05-04, 12:02 PM #21
I'm pretty sure I voted to abolish selective service, but that was Student Congress so it didn't count. Oh well.
2004-05-04, 12:19 PM #22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Noble Outlaw:
But war is necessary, and so occationally a draft is needed to support it. </font>


A war like that isn't needed if you need to force people to fight for it.



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2004-05-04, 12:28 PM #23
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
A war like that isn't needed if you need to force people to fight for it.
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Well, ****, I guess we should all have just let the Germans do whatever in WWII...

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2004-05-04, 12:29 PM #24
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
A war like that isn't needed if you need to force people to fight for it.

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Well, ****, I guess we should all have just let the Germans do whatever in WWII...

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2004-05-04, 12:35 PM #25
A jewish girl in my high school voluntarily went to Isreal to serve in the military there. She isnt even an Israeli, she is an American Citizen.

Also, the head of the Selective Service department is trying to get legislation passed that will require women to register for selective service.

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2004-05-04, 12:37 PM #26
::blink:: wtf^^?

Anyway, draft's aren't necessarily forcing people to fight for a cause they don't believe in.

Edit - Oh, I remember the comment I was gonna make now. Women CAN register for the selective services. They just aren't forced to.

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2004-05-04, 12:41 PM #27
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DSettahr:
A jewish girl in my high school voluntarily went to Isreal to serve in the military there. She isnt even an Israeli, she is an American Citizen.

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Wow, people have to be careful doing that. My friend was trying to join a foreign legion, and he received warnings that the U.S. could see it as a treasonous act.

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2004-05-04, 1:19 PM #28
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Roach:
Well, ****, I guess we should all have just let the Germans do whatever in WWII...

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If you believe in the cause, then by all means fight. But when I said 'forced' I mean that no one should fight a war for a cause he/she doesn't believe in.

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2004-05-04, 1:21 PM #29
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast:
A war like that isn't needed if you need to force people to fight for it.</font>


Please, check the other half of my post.

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2004-05-04, 1:25 PM #30
To genralize, men and woman are NOT equal. They have physical differences. However, a induvidual woman may be stronger than an individual man. Prejudices do not apply to every member of a group. It makes the armies job easier to say that all woman are too weak to fight on the front line, but it's still discrimination.

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2004-05-04, 1:25 PM #31
Why do people get upset about discrimination when it's based on truth? WHY?
2004-05-04, 1:30 PM #32
Please read my post. Prejudices do not apply to all members of a group; people are too diverse to genralize.

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2004-05-04, 1:46 PM #33
I can't believe this thread.
Women have and deserve complete freedom of choice to do whatever they want - but have some honor, fellas. Men are supposed to protect the women, not demand they fight in war with us. I'm surprised any of you can still call yourself men when you think that women should be forced to register. It's bad enough that mothers have to go through the pain of having their son's taken away from them to go to war - how would you feel having to see your daughter forced to go to war? How would you feel if it was a war you didn't believe in?

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[This message has been edited by Jin (edited May 04, 2004).]
2004-05-04, 1:53 PM #34
Uh.


Men have to register for the draft in order to be allowed to vote.

Women don't.

That's not fair in the least. Men have to face the possibility that they will have to fight and even die for their country, and they're forced to do this in order to collect on their political rights as an American. Women don't face this possibility. Women don't serve the country in this way, they only serve themselves (and also tend to vote for political candidates who are also warmongers. Go figure). The right to vote should either be a packaged deal with signing up for the draft, or the draft should be abolished.

Everybody else on this thread is a horrible sexist. You should be ashamed of yourselves with comments like "women can't fight" or "quit being sissies, men." Grow up.
2004-05-04, 2:02 PM #35
There's a little bit of harmless misinformation going on in this thread.

Last I checked, women cannot register for Selective Service. Easy to verify if any female here cares to goto www.sss.gov and try. I'm sure the card asks for sex to ensure that a woman does not.

The Selective Service is not the same as a draft. It is a tool in case one is needed as explained earlier in the thread. I personally doubt one will be needed even though our force needs higher numbers. That will happen through congressional approval and higher enlistments. Not a draft. Hopefully.

Woman cannot serve in "front line" grunt type units. Now we do have woman assigned to our infantry brigade and there are woman that may be assigned to units attached to infantry units but you won't generally see them on the front line. Although, the front line is a term that is getting blurred.

'Nuff said. I'm tired.

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2004-05-04, 2:37 PM #36
Well, there are two major issues with it(women in combat roles, which is the main purpose of drafts to fill), from what I've been told by a colonel I know.

First, he said that women posted on the front lines would hurt the general morale of the unit. Sex during war can be a bad thing for morale, with the whole "This guy's getting some, I want some, but I don't want to cheat on my wife." kind of attitude that a lot of men would get.

Second, he said that they can be a hinderance to their units. It's pretty obvious that the average male has sort of a "protective instict" that makes them want to protect females. I think you could see where this could come into play in battle.

He also mentioned the fact that women are generally better at some non-frontline roles like fighter pilotting.

*shrug* It doesn't bother me either way.

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2004-05-04, 2:55 PM #37
Draft = bad. Nobody should have to fight for a cause they do not believe in. I do not wish to die for my country. I will fight for my home if it becomes a matter of us getting invaded, yes. But for me to go elsewhere in the world for god-knows-what reason, no. I'll flee the country before that happens. With the whole WMD thing the little faith I had in the way things work in America has further diminished. How can I trust the government or military or intelligence?

We have such a good military in part because all of our soldiers are volunteers. Everyone who is there wants to be there. I respect them for that. But I simply am not trusting enough to do that. I say we keep it voluntary. I'm not going to die in Iraq. Screw that.

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2004-05-04, 2:58 PM #38
There is always the CO(Conscienscious Objector) route. You get drafted, but for a non-combat role. It is intended for seriously religious people who see killing of any type wrong. And you actually have to prove it too(past works).

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2004-05-04, 3:40 PM #39
god... I know I shouldn't say anything but you guys are driving me crazy....

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2004-05-04, 3:49 PM #40
Did you know that Linus Torvalds had to server in the Finnish army?

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