I just got my draft card in the mail today. It says absolutely nothing about not being able to vote if you don't register. The penalties are ineligibility for financial aid, jail time, and fines. That's about it. I agree that the idea of the draft is wrong. Whoever said we should've just let the Germans do whatever they want in WWII is completely missing the point. The largest part of the armed forces in the war was made up of people who voluntarily enlisted because it WAS a war that people recognized needed to be fought. When men were drafted for say, Vietnam, which in many ways WAS a pointless war, the resistance occured.

If there is ever a war on that needs to be fought, I would voluntarily enlist without needing to be drafted. Thats everyone's duty, not just men's. I would resist going to war for something stupid, however ::cough::Iraq::cough::Wag the Dog::cough....

Suck it up guys, whatever happened to chivalry?
Edit: How is going to war with Iraq related to Wag the Dog?

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I wish to join...the French Foreign Legion.

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Chivalry? Let me kill vietnamese to stop the spread of communism. It is surely going to destroy us all, because capitalism is on a downhill slidei n america

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Feminists found chivalry, chained it up, tortured it for a few years and then shot it in front of a crowd of bisexuals.
Chivalry is DEAD. You want equal pay? Well if women are just as capable as men then they should be just as capable as paying for the date, opening the door, and putting the toilet seat down.

Chivalry What a joke

It's that sort of caveman "Man hunt food woman stay in cave look after children" attitude that really is bringing society down, and it frustrates all feminists, liberal or radical.

As for women in the army getting involved with the men, well, why not have husbands and wives fighting together?

Oh also, do you get drafted if you're homosexual? I know that when my Dad was drafted for the Norwegian army, lots of guys had sex together so they'd get thrown out of the army.

But this leads on to an ingenious idea: not only should homosexuality in the army be allowed, it should be compulsory. As would huge homosexual orgies. Imagine how fiercely and passionately an army would fight if they were all lovers and were all fighting to protect eachother. Much better than hetrosexuals fighting for 'patriotism' or some such other abstract concept.

I figured there'd be some comment claiming I was a caveman.
I never said women belong in the kitchen looking after the kids. Women have just as much freedom and rights to do whatever the want with their lives - be it motherhood, running a company, or even joining the military.
We live in a civilized society - the idea of wanting to protect women from the grotesqueness of war is far from barabric. You cannot argue against the fact that in the natural order of things, the men are to protect the women. Has this society become so focused on political correctness that facts of nature are being sacrificed for "equality"? If a woman wishes to take an active role in war, then so be it. It's no ones place to say otherwise - it's her descision. My desire to want to protect women from war does not make me sexist, and certainly does not make me a caveman. It's not a superiority issue - and Jon`C, you of all people I would expect to understand this.

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Well, the women I know hate it when a guy pays for everything. They'll demand to pay for their part of things. However, there's a thing called manners: it doesn't kill you to open the door for a woman, does it? No, nor does putting down the toilet seat. It's not a matter of chivalry; it's a matter of common decency.


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okay, lets change the "fiercely and passionately" to "belligerently and illogically". Same goes for a man and woman in the military who are together and literally fight side by side. When you are around the person you love, you act differently. You can do some real dumb*** stuff when under pressure. The military promotes a brotherhood among soldiers which promotes giving your all for your comrades, but not being an idiot about it. Soldiers have enough on their mind without having to worry about their lover getting riddled with bullets.

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Actually.... i'm sure if somebody else wants to do some research to back up my shakey facts, the Greeks or somebody used to have an elite unit of homosexual soldiers who had a reputation for being badass (no pun intended) because of the way they looked out for each other.

Not just trying to add fire or anything, I can definately remember this fact to be true from somewhere... I just an't be bothered to look for it.

But yea... my point was that it apparently works.

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There was a 300 (150 couples) homosexual man unit in Thebes(or was it Sparta?). That's all fine and dandy, it is the love part about it that irks me. When on the battlefield you need as little distraction as possible and having your lover there will wreak havoc on your concentration. Instead of concentrating on your mission and the safety of your entire unit, you are concentrating on the welfare of your lover. Love messes up your head in so many ways. And I really hope no one says that the greek gay unit was successful(for the time they were anyway) because they were gay. Please. There are so many factors that to single it out to one thing is stupid. Perhaps they were just plain better than everyone else.

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...I'm pretty sure Sparta encouraged homosexual habits for all their men. Not only that, but pedophile/ephebophile habits. An older commander would take in the fresh boys. Some wives had to dress as men to lure their husbands into the bedroom.

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On the women on the front lines issue, I think it's better if they're not in case of capture. Due to the fact they could be raped and possibly even impregnated by their captors.

Unless they wanna get spade before serving, I think it's more of a courtesy and not sexism to not want them to take the chance of that happening. It's bad enough to be captured, let alone them putting their seed in her.

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Captured men can be raped too.

It's really a decision that the woman would have to make, not have the army make that decision for her. If she were impregnated then she would almost certainly have an abortion. But again, that is up to the woman and possibly her family to decide.

I thought the whole point of keeping women off the front lines was because they were quantitatively more important for the continuation of the population. Y'know, seeing as men can't get pregnant and all.

Just to fend off any potential misunderstandings, I'll just say that I do not believe women are baby-making factories.

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Over a century ago, it might've been that, but today it's mainly to avoid affecting the morale of the male troups, plus some physical factors.

As for the rape argument, that's bull****. You could say women shouldn't leave the house because they might be raped while you're at it.

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Mort-Hog, post some more please! Caveman attitude. Homosexuality in the military. All of it. It would be so hillarious if you were really posting the way you do to mock those who actually believe that but, unfortunately, I think you really believe what you post. Oh well. If that's the case at least you set the example of what extremism really means.

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How many records of it are there though? Either way, yes of course, anyone can be raped too. Thank you for the obvious, but can men be violated like a woman? Can we be impregnated? No.

I mean yeah, getting raped by another guy or something would be pretty embarassing for a guy when he's captured. But we can put it in the past, whereas women could be held for months and not get the decision to abort or give the baby up. Consider how high women's emotions run when they're pregnant, then factor in that it's from a horrific moment in their lives.

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"Embarassed" is such a horrific understatement. I'm not sure why you think a guy can simply shrug off being raped, or why it's a less-horrific experience.

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