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Student suspended for not hanging up on mom in Iraq
2005-05-08, 10:23 AM #41
How strict their suspension policy is for one, and suspensions that happened in the past for just as minor "confrontational" scenerios, and since he has been noted for his behavior problems, if he was warned that any further confrontational behavior would lead to a longer suspension.
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2005-05-08, 10:25 AM #42
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Originally posted by Lord Kuat
Yes, I heard you the first time. What could the kid have done to get suspended for 10 days. The teacher was not physically harmed (no article said that), so it never became as bad to warrant a 10 day suspension. Tell me, what information could we be missing, what all important fact could even exist that we are missing? I contend that nothing that important could be missing, therefore conclusions can be made.


Did you read the articles? He was suspended for cursing at the school administrators and refusing to leave the assistant principal's office. They first gave him a three-day suspension, and then when he wouldn't shut up they extended it to ten.

The punishment for using a phone was merely having it taken away for the day, and from the administrators' statements it isn't even certain if they were planning to do that.
2005-05-08, 10:25 AM #43
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Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast
How strict their suspension policy is for one, and suspensions that happened in the past for just as minor "confrontational" scenerios, and since he has been noted for his behavior problems, if he was warned that any further confrontational behavior would lead to a longer suspension.


Bull to the first one. HOW does that matter? If the policy was just slapping on the wrist each day, that is too much.

Second, comon! This warrants an exception. Do you live in a black and white world?
2005-05-08, 10:26 AM #44
God, I love Argath. He always finds these articles that contradict the one posted by the original poster.
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2005-05-08, 10:27 AM #45
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Originally posted by Lord Kuat
Second, comon! This warrants an exception. Do you live in a black and white world?


If a student has a constant history of behavior problems I don't think anything he does "warrants an exception." If he knew he would be in contact with his mom during school hours he should have notified an administration official. That's where special circumstances are granted, not during the rule violation.
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2005-05-08, 10:27 AM #46
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Originally posted by Argath
Did you read the articles? He was suspended for cursing at the school administrators and refusing to leave the assistant principal's office. They first gave him a three-day suspension, and then when he wouldn't shut up they extended it to ten.

The punishment for using a phone was merely having it taken away for the day, and from the administrators' statements it isn't even certain if they were planning to do that.


Wait, wait. So you wouldn't be mad? You would just walk away saying "dat's life?". Hmm, sorry, not all people are robots. You know, they do get mad when something stupid happens to them. However, I'm starting to wonder if many of you have oil in your veins.

Also, still didn't get physical.
2005-05-08, 10:28 AM #47
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Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast
If a student has a constant history of behavior problems I don't think anything he does "warrants an exception." If he knew he would be in contact with his mom during school hours he should have notified an administration official. That's where special circumstances are granted, not during the rule violation.


I dunno, I'd woulda thought that the school isn't filled with uptight pricks, and if I had a call from my mom fighting a war in a far away country they would, you know, take that into consideration.

Again, so what with the behavioral problems? This is a rather special case.
2005-05-08, 10:30 AM #48
And who's to say he's telling the truth at the time of the violation? To play a card similar to yours, would you trust a serial killer when he told you he didn't kill x person?

This kid is a constant-rule breaker. To believe he had a warranted reason for breaking the rules this time doesn't outweigh the times he broke them before.
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2005-05-08, 10:34 AM #49
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Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast
And who's to say he's telling the truth at the time of the violation? To play a card similar to yours, would you trust a serial killer when he told you he didn't kill x person?

This kid is a constant-rule breaker. To believe he had a warranted reason for breaking the rules this time doesn't outweigh the times he broke them before.


From one of Mr. Argath's articles:

"We are the school that serves Fort Benning," Turner said. "We're well aware of students with parents overseas."

So, they should be familiar with this situation. True, in any other school a kid could be talking to his buddy and say it's his mom, but in the school they are in, this isn't all that unlikely.

It's like a serial killer in a battlefeild. The dead guy infront of him may be killed by him, but considering the location he is in, it's less likely than usual that he is lying.

Plus, they could have investigated the situation, and when they did find out the truth (it was his mom) then he should have been absolved.
2005-05-08, 10:35 AM #50
...sigh, the tabloid tantrums. Tomorrow morning you'll wake up and not care about this in the slightest, just like yesterday.
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2005-05-08, 10:38 AM #51
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
...sigh, the tabloid tantrums. Tomorrow morning you'll wake up and not care about this in the slightest, just like yesterday.


Postcount ++ for you!

Seriously, tabloid or not, this is a reflection of other things. Just because it doesn't directly effect you doesn't mean it isn't important. Thanks for the worthless post though, I'm sure you feel much better.
2005-05-08, 10:51 AM #52
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Seriously, tabloid or not, this is a reflection of other things.


No, it isn't. That's the whole point. That's exactly what these sorts of articles are trying to stir up. They spin one story totally out of proportion to make you think "oh no, what a terrible situtation the system is in!". and it's working, too.
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2005-05-08, 1:23 PM #53
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Originally posted by TimeWolfOfThePast
If a student has a constant history of behavior problems I don't think anything he does "warrants an exception." If he knew he would be in contact with his mom during school hours he should have notified an administration official. That's where special circumstances are granted, not during the rule violation.


This is assuming he KNEW his mom would contact him then. Seeing as how she obviously couldn't talk to him often, how was he supposed to know?

Mort--stop acting like you know exactly what we're feeling. I have sympathy for this kid because I'd be pissed that they took my cell phone, pissed that they gave me suspension, and I know what it's like to be in a SIMILAR situation. Seriously, it's getting annoying when in every thread even remotely politically related you post as to why you know everything and we know nothing. Hell, this isn't even a political thread and you're STILL doing it.
D E A T H
2005-05-08, 4:02 PM #54
Wow, I opened my friend's forehead on accident, and I wasn't even close to getting suspended. I can't believe this. The kids parents should sue the school people responsable of this. Also, its obvious to me, the guy was anti-war and is abusing his authority, and taking it as far as he can. If I was the kid, I'd play his game and sue him for abuse of authority and discrimination. If you don't like some ones opinion then just live with it, they don't like your either.
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2005-05-08, 4:24 PM #55
Huh? How do you know he's anti-war from the articles?
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2005-05-08, 4:43 PM #56
Anti-war? Sue? WTF?
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