Why do most of you still play Dark Forces? It has bad graphics! Better games such as Academy are out.

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aim: shishnit07
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Graphics don't make the game my friend. Heck, I still play the original Wing Commander because the gameplay was a blast. Same with X-Wing and TIE Fighter.

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Following that line of reasoning, movies like the original Star Wars, all the old Star Trek movies, etc, also suck and should not be watched because the special effects are so horrible compared to todays movies. We should all stick to watching more modern movies like The Core, with its superior special effects which makes it far better than any Sci-Fi movie more than a couple years old.

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i usually like to only observe the flame war but...

/me grabs flamethrower...

i HAVE to on this occasion

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LONG LIVE DREAMCAST!!!

Damn right.

"IT HAS BAD GRAPHICS OMG IT SUCKS"

Is the most stupid reason ever to say that a game sucks.

DF > JA, by the way.

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Do you judge everything by the way it looks?

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

if that is the case maybe he should remove all reflective surfaces from his house

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LONG LIVE DREAMCAST!!!

Gameplay > Graphics

That is all.



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thats a good one drkjedi! (not sarcastic)

i think the game play of dark forces is bad to, ja/jo has everything dark forces does but first person light saber view.

and online who do you even play with last i checked i could only do direct connections no game server list like jo/ja

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aim: shishnit07
msn: diamondcoconut@hotmail.com

Before the invention of modern in-game "browsers", all multiplayer had to be via a direct connection of some sort. In fact, we were lucky to even have multiplayer most the time, back in the day...

mmmm, the day *DrooL*

Most people cant afford Jedi Acadamy or it either doesnt work on their machine.

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Obviously if you compare DF to the games of today, there are going to be some disparities, but if you look at when Dark Forces came out (How long ago was it, 8 or 9 years now?) it was revolutionary.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

I assume by "Dark Forces" he means "Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2." If not, well, I'm gonna talk about JK anyway

While the points made about gameplay > graphics are ultimately true (though I have my doubts many of these people realize that, yes, we look at graphics too, just like women. Er... >.> anyway--), I will say that the original JK isn't all super-spectacular. What kept me coming back to JK was its modifications[/b] made by the fine people here at Massassi and TACC. SP levels, MP levels, saber and weapon mods, etc... each one managing to summon even greater things from the archaic, yet apparently flexible engine both in technical and conceptual design. I'm sure any Massassian here could list 10 off the top of their head that they love to death.

JO and JA, while prettier and offered perhaps better gameplay design than JK, don't appear to be as easily editable (at least JO). I think it's really the mod-thing that sets the two apart. And yes, I do like JA -- the saber duel stuff and the recent SD siege map are awesome. I wish I had more time and buddies to play them with.

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Bwahahahahahahaha *gasps for air* aaaaaaahahahaha!!!

The same reason I play my NES, Sega and Deamcast more then my gamecube! The games are so much more fun! (Don't get me wrong gamecube has some badass games, but the older games are just classic!)

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We Play because we Can.

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I never played the original DF game. I just started with JK. I still play it cause the mods are fun, (SBX is my favorite) and its just an all around great game. I do own JO (both PC and GC so I can smash my younger brother since he don't have a comp yet) and JA. I play all three.

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This is what I hate about my generation and future generations today. Its graphics graphics graphics. It really pisses me off. People play older games because they have good gameplay. Kids today don't understand that. You know what inteligent gamers look for first in a game? Gameplay. Graphics are always secondary. Good graphics are nice, they're like ketchup and mustard on a hotdog, but you don't need them.

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"i can get my beast going as hard as it will go, but when i go to play my games it cant handle all the action." -scared little monkey talking about his computer

I think pong is by far the greater game compaired to Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. It's the pure simplicity, and Novelity. JK, MotS, and DF are all classics, and in some cases, due to their flexibility, are superior to their newer counterparts.

JA/JO may be newer, and far more superior in graphics, physics, and arguebly gameplay, they are over-hyped, overplayed, and due to their infancy, see little improvement with mods and community.

JediKirby

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What they said.

Shishnit- with all due respect, you diserve a good hard slap across your face.

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enabling sinners to delight in God without compromising the Glory of God.
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DARK FORCES IS NOT JEDI KNIGHT.

... anyway...

I will burn you alive for saying Dark Forces (or JK, which I assume is what you meant) is a bad game. Also for thinking that graphics are the sole measure of a game (even here, the aesthetics in DF and JK were much better than in JO and JA - compare DF's Nar Shaddaa level to JO's.)

[This message has been edited by Sine Nomen (edited May 06, 2004).]

Not necessarily, I think that a lot of you cling onto the old games because they were good at the time. Sorry to say this, but times have changed, people want to feel more like they're in the game (by having better graphics that todays PC's can support [as well as having a good gameplay] But personally I think that Jedi Academy has both good graphics and gameplay (been playing it since it came out )


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Sweet irony...

Oh and in no way did I state that DF is a bad game or not - just that you have to realise that people who never played it originally will not look at it in the same way as you did when you played it before.

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Sweet irony...

I had never played the old JK games, when I bought a bundle containing Jedi Outcast (the main game I was seeking) and the old JK Dark Forces II and MotS. After JO, I started playing the old games. The graphics didn't bother me at all, but a few levels after getting the lightsaber I had to give in. The lightsaber handling and mechanics (and to be frank the foce powers in general) were so immature that I couldn't bear them... It's a pity, I liked the game otherwise.

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"I was driving along listening to the radio, when Judas Priest comes on. It was 'You've got another thing coming.' All of a sudden, I enter 'VICE CITY RAMAGE MODE' and nearly ran some guy over"
- ]-[ellequin

I think that's stretching it a little bit.



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Damn, you beat me to it...


I cant stand to play JO or JA. They are far too clumbsy, cluttered, bloated, and the gameplay sucks. While DF (The original Dark Forces, *not* JK) may have had its control difficulties, I still had a hell of a blast playing it. LEC managed to truly create the Star Wars universe in that game, its a feeling that all teh games since have lacked. Even JK lacks that quality. Sure, the graphics may not be visually appealing, and the enemies may only span 30 pixels, but the gameplay is awesome. And besides, 8 years ago, we didnt even notice the graphics...

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I used to believe that we must fight the future, lest change come without our consent. I was wrong. The truth is that we must embrace the future, for only with change can we remain the same.

Dark Forces was the first game in the series. It's also the game before the game that you're referring to. The game that you're referring to is Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II. It is superior as far as gameplay is concerned. This is not the opinion of a hardcore fan, this is a simple fact. To say otherwise is blasphemy. I've killed people for less.



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Not at all. I can play pong until 4:30 in the morning, while GTA:VC? I get frustrated, and board with it in under 2 or 3 hours.

The BEST MP Party game is pong, second is SSM. Might I mention, SSM is pretty simple, and resembles Joust, or a few other oldies.

All fun (new) games have been based on ancient gameplay, just redesigned for better graphics and more complex combinations of actions.

JediKirby

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"I was driving along listening to the radio, when Judas Priest comes on. It was 'You've got another thing coming.' All of a sudden, I enter 'VICE CITY RAMAGE MODE' and nearly ran some guy over"
- ]-[ellequin

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"I was driving along listening to the radio, when Judas Priest comes on. It was 'You've got another thing coming.' All of a sudden, I enter 'VICE CITY RAMAGE MODE' and nearly ran some guy over"
- ]-[ellequin

erm...

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Sweet irony...

That's why I usually stick to the guns, and don't use force powers. Neither are required to beat the game at all. (Except for maybe the occasional force jump and lightsaber usage for grates)

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well, to be fair, they are totally different games.

Pong is just this bouncy white ball, while GTA:VC is a full-fledged crime simulator that lets you do practically anything anytime oyu want. VC has a ton of replay value where most games don't. GTa3 is cool too, but the PC version is too buggy to really enjoy.

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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited May 06, 2004).]

I'm beginning to think some people here worship JK(or DF, whatever) as the messiah of games. That isn't healthy.

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[This message has been edited by Kieran Horn (edited May 06, 2004).]

Very little on this site is healthy

I still edit for JK... and I will always edit for JK

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[This message has been edited by MysteriousSith (edited May 06, 2004).]

Cant Play Pong on it tho


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stop talking in brail

300 years as jedi master i was, now i bloody night-lite

(:-) Monobrow

I wouldn't say that Dark Forces has bad graphics. It looks nice. Time doesn't change that. The fact that it doesn't use the latest technology doesn't change that.
Compare it to Quake 3, for example. Quake 3 has a significantly more advanced engine, but its levels and character models are hideous and uninteresting.

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It's just like people that complain about technology moving too fast. Just because something new comes out doesn't mean your current hardware gets any slower.

What matters in a game is its design and aesthetic values, not the technology. Except perhaps, that 320x240 looks really bad on modern, larger screens. But DOSBox and windowed mode can fix that.

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