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Thread about building the WTC memorial.
2005-05-18, 3:11 PM #1
Donald Trump, thinking he has some authority of this matter, has been challenging the architecture design of the "Freedom Towers." His design is basically the same buildings of WTC, but higher. The original "Freedom Towers" design can be viewed here.

Personally, I think neither concepts look terribly great. I don't find the two very fitting for a memoral. The "Freedom Towers" look like gaint glass shards. It's too sharp and odd to fit in with New York City. And Trump's towers probably might come as a painful reminder of what happened. Thoughts?
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2005-05-18, 3:15 PM #2
They should build buildings into the shape of a giant middle finger.


And the rednecks said... "GET ERRRR DONE!"
2005-05-18, 4:49 PM #3
lets build the world trade center somewhere else in the world...spare New York of more massive buildings that will fall down and kill people when Godzilla comes.
2005-05-18, 4:54 PM #4
Quote:
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
lets build the world trade center somewhere else in the world...spare New York of more massive buildings that will fall down and kill people when Godzilla comes.


How about Tokyo?
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2005-05-18, 4:56 PM #5
I'm inclined to agree with Trump's comment that the freedom tower looks like a skeleton, even if he does come off as horribly arrogant.

I never liked the design and always kinda hoped they'd just rebuild the towers, but I can understand the concerns people have with building larger twin towers and the fears (especially of the families of victims) of the possibility of another attack.
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2005-05-18, 4:59 PM #6
nah Tokyo has been done...how about London?
2005-05-18, 5:08 PM #7
How about not build them at all? That sounds smart to me. Building them will just make them target numero uno.
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2005-05-18, 5:10 PM #8
Uugggglllyyy! (the freedom towers)
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2005-05-18, 5:14 PM #9
I dont know what I think about this. All I know is that I dont want Donald Trump to have something to do with it.
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2005-05-18, 5:17 PM #10
Why not just rebuild them to the exact size and such as before, but with better designs and such?...

The "Freedom" Tower looks like a modern art piece...not good.

The Trump Towers are like they're compensating...


As for fearing that they would be a target...well anything would be a target really. The key thing is not letting the people have the ability to do anything about their new "target."

That's the point of the whole war on terrorism.
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2005-05-18, 5:30 PM #11
the war on terrorism is to get votes


unless you're the terrorist...then its to become popular with the people so you get power and trick young men into blowing themselves up so they'll go to heaven or something.
2005-05-18, 5:40 PM #12
Ugh.
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2005-05-18, 6:08 PM #13
I think a simple cement ground, or maybe even brass, with the names of every single person who died engraved into it would be fitting. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe slightly elivated areas or walkways or cement streams or whatnot to break it up, but yeah. Generally, that'd stick out more than any tall buildings would. Almost a place of simplicity and tranquillity in an industrial and smokey scene.

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2005-05-18, 6:57 PM #14
To be realistic, this is the most expensive property in the world. As theoretically nice as leaving the area unbuilt would be, it's just not gonna happen. We have real-life concerns to deal with as well as the more intangible ideological ones.

Personally, while the "Freedom Tower" design wouldn't be my first choice, I do hope they go with something more interesting than just rebuilding the old ones. I never did much care for the old ones, artistically speaking. Big giant rectangles, meh.
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2005-05-18, 7:05 PM #15
I hate names made from political catch phrases like "freedom" or "hope". People just say them over and over until they become meaningless political drivel.
2005-05-18, 7:15 PM #16
Quote:
"You take a look at a the roofs of those buildings, they're all at different angles, different shapes," he said. "It is the worst pile of crap architecture I have ever seen in my life."


Donald Trump is an idiot.

Its not like i'm in love with the designs for the "Freedom Tower", but its just stunning to think that such a wealthy man is so bloody inarticulate. I mean I know 8th graders who speak more profoundly than that.

Or I guess thats his charm... :rolleyes:
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2005-05-18, 7:39 PM #17
Quote:
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
the war on terrorism is to get votes


unless you're the terrorist...then its to become popular with the people so you get power and trick young men into blowing themselves up so they'll go to heaven or something.


Umm...okay....
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2005-05-18, 9:30 PM #18
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
I hate names made from political catch phrases like "freedom" or "hope". People just say them over and over until they become meaningless political drivel.


Agreed.
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2005-05-18, 9:55 PM #19
This article is funnier:

Quote:
Originally posted by: Donald Trump
And, you know the terrorists win. If we build this job the way it is, the terrorists win. If we rebuild the World Trade Center, but a story taller and stronger, then we win.

I mean, I don't want to have the terrorists win, Chris. And that's what's going to happen if we build this pile of junk.
2005-05-18, 10:35 PM #20
Quote:
Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
the war on terrorism is to get votes


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
2005-05-19, 2:58 AM #21
Obviously, Trump sees great potential to make himself money with this projct. That probably why he's proposing it. Personally, I agree with Kirby. The memorial shouldn't be anything spectacular. An open space/park kind of deal with the names of those killed in building and the rescuers who dies as well immortalized in some way.
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2005-05-19, 4:55 AM #22
ahahahaha 'freedom towers'.
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2005-05-19, 5:07 AM #23
The non-Trump version looks like the bloody shard of glass some poncy architect wants to build in London.

What's wrong with subterranean buildings?
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2005-05-19, 6:46 AM #24
Quote:
Originally posted by Avenger
Obviously, Trump sees great potential to make himself money with this projct. That probably why he's proposing it. Personally, I agree with Kirby. The memorial shouldn't be anything spectacular. An open space/park kind of deal with the names of those killed in building and the rescuers who dies as well immortalized in some way.


I somewhat agree. Im not quite sure WHAT i want to be done with it though. All I know is, it is the scariest place I have ever been. I walked by it at like 11 or 12 one night going to the subway. It was silent. So eerie.
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2005-05-19, 8:37 AM #25
Why not build a GIGANTIC KNIFE?

That way when people fly planes into it, they'd just get cut in half.
2005-05-19, 9:02 AM #26
or maybe the worlds biggest AA gun?
2005-05-19, 10:11 AM #27
I like the way Rob thinks. Mr. Stafford, too. :)
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2005-05-19, 10:46 AM #28
Just a park. People should be able to remember and mourn about such a disaster in peace.
2005-05-19, 10:59 AM #29
Quote:
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet
I hate names made from political catch phrases like "freedom" or "hope". People just say them over and over until they become meaningless political drivel.


Subtle propaganda. If they really wanted to honor the dead, they should start by finding a name that doesn't sound completely idiotic.
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2005-05-19, 11:05 AM #30
First off, ditch the name. Ugh, "Freedom Tower". How inane and stupid is that.

Second, that tower design sucks; I can't believe it won. For those curious, here are all the submitted designs:

http://www.wtcsitememorial.org/submissions.html

In any case, a park is nice and all, but it just doesn't fit what was there. Personally, as far as putting names down, I'd only put the names of the firefighters/other rescuers who died, not everyone. And those names should be engraved on the foundations of a truly impressive structire. Not a huge shard of glass sticking from the ground...

Heh, we should all come up with a better name; I bet we would find one in a heart beat. Maybe it should be named "The Great Hall of the Justice Leauge". Terrorists would think twice about attacking that, thinking they would get a wedgie from superman. Or get beat by Aquaman; and getting beat by that ninny is pretty demening.

On a tangent, I find GothicX's title and statement to be in a bit of conflict, heh.
2005-05-19, 11:28 AM #31
Quote:
Originally posted by Freelancer
How about not build them at all? That sounds smart to me. Building them will just make them target numero uno.


Because it's prime real estate in an area that's crunched for office space as it is?
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2005-05-19, 6:43 PM #32
Clearly, some one the submissions seem better than the one selected.
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2005-05-22, 12:01 AM #33
Quote:
Originally posted by Avenger
Obviously, Trump sees great potential to make himself money with this projct. That probably why he's proposing it.


Absolutely. Trump is a capitalist in the true sense of the word, and his business happens to be real estate development. A new WTC facility that he built and decides to own or sell would be a HUGE profit opportunity for him. Trump is simply minding his own business which just happens to be real estate. Who can blame him for that? I would do the same thing if I was in his place.

Whether you admire him or hate him, no one can argue the fact that Trump definitely has his s*** together and knows what he's doing.
2005-05-22, 12:11 AM #34
I just want them to put something up that's not an eyesore. The Freedom Tower would be the definition of an eyesore. Rebuilding the same towers a foot taller isn't terribly exciting, but at least it won't look completely ridiculous as part of the NYC skyline.
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2005-05-22, 12:15 AM #35
Seriously, I wouldn't want to work in those towers if they built them one foot taller than they were. Talk about stupid.
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2005-05-22, 6:05 AM #36
As far as the freedom towers go, I really don't care about the design one way or the other.
With somthing like this, you are absolutly guaranteed to have atleast 50% of the people in the world hate it.
No matter what design you use.
I think the process by which they choose this design was good and if they give in to trump's arrogant, selfish and just plain idiotic idea then the next we will end up with the white house being redesigned by michael jackson.

[edit]And I think my mom put it best, Any one who combs their hair that way should be designing anything.
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2005-05-22, 6:53 AM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by MBeggar
I dont know what I think about this. All I know is that I dont want Donald Trump to have something to do with it.


/nod
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2005-05-22, 9:25 AM #38
Quote:
Originally posted by MBeggar
I dont know what I think about this. All I know is that I dont want Donald Trump to have something to do with it.


why not?

Trump has a pattern of moving construction projects along rapidly and on budget. The sooner that a new facility is complete, the better off NYC will be financially.
2005-05-22, 10:13 AM #39
I'm telling you.

GIGANTIC KNIFE.

We can even have a little sign that says "MESS WITH AMERICA, AND YOU GET ****ING STABBED!"

People aren't going to mess with a GIGANTIC KNIFE. And like I said, it'll cut the planes in half!
2005-05-22, 11:42 AM #40
Giant knife, tower, AA gun or SAM site, it'll eventually be the site of a McDonalds.
nope.
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