It's generally accepted that a sith can keep him/herself alive after suffering mortal wounds but has to end up relying on intense hatred to do so. KotoR 2 has a nice example, so does Jedi Knight (Maw). Palpatine didn't elaborate on the nature of the power. Or he could have just been outright lying to get the desired reaction out of Anakin.

I'm not convinced that Palpatine actually had this "life-death" power he spoke about. Maybe he did learn it from his master. Or, it could have been just part of his ploy to lead Anakin to the dark-side. After all, late in Revenge of the Sith he tells Anakin that perhaps "together" they can save Padme. Either this signifies he was lying about the power or lying that he had mastered it. Or something else I don't know.

Anyway, if it is an exclusive Sith power, so be it.

Now we know that the light-side have a similar power known exclusively to them: Talking & getting advice from dead Jedi.

This power might explain why when Obi-Wan & Yoda die they disappear rather than leaving a corpse. (This didn't seem to require for them to use their powers "together")

Palpy didn't *want* to save Padme, so after Annie turned he wanted to play down the reason Annie had done it.

if anyone was anakin's "father", it would be darth plagueis; palpatine never ended up learning the power from him anyway

and there's still the issue of wether anakin was "created" or not in the first place. or, hell, if the "power to create life" even existed in the first place. for all we know, palpatine could have made the entire thing up to help turn anakin. we can speculate all we want, but i don't think we'll ever know for certain, unless lucas comes out and tells us

I thought the same exact thing, that Plagueis "created" Anakin. But after reading a few different things, I noticed that Lucas had said that Anakin was created simply by the Force, and not Plagueis. (although I have no way of confirming that)

"AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH (no)"

According to IMDB, they were going to give the role of Captain Antilles to Wedge's original actor.

Of course Palpy was probably lying, but this is Lucas. He likes Midichlorians, Jar Jar Binks and Anakin to be fathered by a Sith Lord.

Things like this will probably be cleared up in the TV show, EP3 books, source books, other EU, etc. Which can finally be considered canon since Lucas won't be able to go back and rape our childhoods again.

Quoting from the episode 3 story, ( this is the narrator talking) : "What Palpatine failed to realize was this power, to create life and prevent death, was never truly harnessed. It was concieved that it could be done, however, the power was never mastered." This clearly proves Palpatine fed Anakin a line just to get him to join the dark side. The book later explained that one could not prevent death for others or restore life to others, the power could only be harnessed by the user, which is how we see yoda, obi wan, and anakin in RotJ after they die.

So when Anakin sees Padmes death, is that because she would have died anyways, or because she lost her will to live, etc.. If Anakin had ignored his dream, would she still have been alive b/c he would have been with her and she would be happy, etc.? Basically, if he ignored his dream, everthing would be cool and Episodes 4,5,6 would be useless...

The one in ANH is, yes. R4's also had conical heads, just not the same shape as R5's did.

if you wanna get technical, vornskr, they're all really trash cans filled with midgets.

and i don't ever want to have to say that again. so shhh.


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oh, zoso, his dream was what was just what he was afraid was going to happen. she prolly wouldnt have died if he wouldnt have chocked her... so if he would have just controlled his fear, his dream wouldnt have come true. his whole conversion is ironic, cause in order to save padme, he should have stayed on the light side. or just cause palpatine lied and stuff cause he found one way to convert him by messing with his emotions.

yeah.

I dont know about you guys, but i sure liked it, except for the anakin-padme scenes. Blecchh! The saber duels rocked and i also thought it sad when order 66 was carried out. But, thats only my opinion...:D

I went in realizing that within the space of the movie, all the pieces had to be set up for A New Hope to be played. Maybe this was too dominant in my mind, because it removed all tension from the movie and reduced it to details. If I were to never have seen the movies before and then see them all, in the new order with prequels, then it would have been an awesome movie. Of course it didn't help that I didn't care for any of the prequel jedi and thus their deaths meant little to me. When "order 66" was being carried out, I thought to myself, "yeah get that guy too. Oops! Don't want to forget that guy. Yes, finally, die Mace Windu!" (I originally thought Jackson's appearance in Ep1 was just a cameo, since he's in practically every movie, and by Ep3 it had gone on far too long.) I would also have liked the children's deaths to have been shown, just to really really show what horror Vader is capable of, but there were kids younger than that watching in the theater with me, so... eh. Can't terrify the key demographic, or their parents.

The fights involving Anakin, Obi-wan, Palpatine and Yoda had no tension whatsoever. I knew Vader would probably lose a limb or two (what is star wars without an amputated limb?) but otherwise those four characters were entirely immortal. Unless you like sword fight choreography, you may as well leave the theater while these are going on.

As it was, the prequels seemed to need the same prophetical tension of Romeo and Juliet (you know they're going to die from the beginning, but you keep asking for them not to) but for me this necessary tension just wasn't there. Probably because it was drawn out to 6 episodes of varying pace instead of R+J's one hour dash.

However, knowing this prophecy had to be fulfilled, one moment in the movie was enhanced for me when I least expected it. Normally I hate the dialogue in the prequels, especially between Anakin/Padme. But in the scene where she tells him she's pregnant and he says it's the happiest moment of his life, I realized... ****... he's right. For me, that was the most moving emotional moment the character of Anakin/Vader had in any of the six movies.

I disagree that Padme wouldn't have died if Anakin had left everything alone.

The point is that Anakin should have accepted Padme's fate and been willing to be selfless and let go. Since he wasn't, he succumbed to the Dark Side and his own prideful belief that he can stop fate. Because of that flaw, he ends up destroying the Jedi Order, subjugating the galaxy to the rule of an evil tyrant, and losing most of his own humanity. Padme was doomed. By fighting that, Anakin brought suffering to the rest of the galaxy. (Just as, you might say, Oedipus brings suffering to Thebes by running away from his fate.)

Dude... no

Honestly the whole time I was watching Anakin, I KNEW he was thinking "o **** i got her pregnant what am i going to do" you know, he was young and stuff, he was not ready for that kind of relationship (ie. he goes crazy because of it)

And the Frankenstienish "NOO" was out of place... They should have used a more angry kind of hell that sounds similar to vader shouting in ROTJ after Luke kicks him down the stairs. It would have been alot better and not make me cringe and pretend like its normal dialogue cuz im supposed to LIKE This movie and worship it, right? O well

No.

honestly I truely thought that... it was just completely unbeliavable that a rogue character like Anakin would want to get into that sort of together relationship where as before there relationship was hidden. Either way giving any actor to say those lines is tough because the ridiculousness of them in the first place. Any decent review site not smothered by fan boys (like imdb) will give accurate reviews and almost everyone says lucas should have hired a writer.

What I rather liked about the mechanized Darth Vader at the end was that he didn't sound like the Darth Vader we've come to know at all. James Earl Jones seemed to act lost and confused and, I dunno, sounded rather like Hayden Christiansen. That works for me, he still has about 20 years to develop into the Darth Vader.

In fact, I think that I would've been more confused if the mechi-veddi had been acting like he did in the Original Trilogy(ie. Menacing, commanding and the whole she-bang), I might've been more confused.

(also, any particular idea why the clones weren't thinking of Anakin when Palpy ordered the 'Order 66', besides the obvious embarassement?)

He was excluded from the order. It's the most obvious and logical explaination.

on the other side of it, though, because of anakin's fall, he pretty much fixed up the entire galaxy.

both the republic and the jedi order were corrupt and falling apart, and the sith were returning. by turning to the dark side, it leads to the destruction of the republic, the destruction of the jedi order, and ultimately (through luke), the destruction of the empire and the sith, and the rebirth of a better jedi order (one that isn't so wrapped up in rule and tradition)

if anakin didn't turn, and if the twins were never born, no one would have been able to stop palpatine; he still would have taken over the republic, and still would have destroyed the jedi. even if he was stopped, the republic and the jedi order would have still been corrupted (as they were before even episode 1).

so, thanks to anakin, the proverbial harddrive of the galaxy was reformatted, and though much was lost, everyone was able to live happily ever after

I think that one of my favorite Jedi, Plo Koon got screwed. Shot from behind. Team-killing clone troopers....

Actually, I agree with him. It seemed to me that the most predominant thought going through Anakin's head was, "How am I going to keep this hidden? This complicates things a great deal!"

Or maybe it was just, "Man, how am I going to get to the Tosche Station for some power converters if I have to babysit this brat?"

Sounds like someone is BSing imdb as that would be unlikely.

There are two Antilles in the OT: Wedge Antilles, whom isn't even mentioned at the rank of Captain. And then Captain Antilles, which is who Vader choked in the beginning. If you think back, 3PO said "Our last master was Captain Antilles," it was when Wedge definitely wasn't at Captain rank.

Unless they meant to say they were trying to give the role to the original strangle-victim actor, which would look weird since he was pretty young looking in ANH...

On Grevious coughing regulary, does anyone know why in the novel version of Revenge of the Sith there is a line that says "He does not breathe"? Seemed weird

Yes the prophecy about the chosen one (Anakin) ends up being true...from a certain point of view.

***Ask this statement back in an overly astonished way...***

Yes. What could be more unbalanced than thousands of Jedi and only 2 sith lords!? That is way off balance. In helping Darth Sidous by turning to the dark-side and later hunting down all the remaining Jedi (except for Obi-Wan & Yoda) the balance is returned. 2 Sith Lords & 2 Jedi.

...Then Darth Vader throws it out of balance by killing Obi-Wan in The "original" Star Wars. (leaving 2 Siths and 1 Jedi) Then Yoda dies and the score is Sith : 2 Jedi : 0
...Unbalanced again this score is. Luke must face Vader to become a Jedi, which he does, then Vader kills the Emperor balancing everything again. 1 Sith 1 Jedi There are always 2.

And Yoda, from speaking to Qui-Gon ghost Jedi, decides not to have Obi-Wan try to train Luke youngling-boy style. He realizes Jedi's have been trained the same way for 800 years but the times have changed. With Qui-Gon's wisdom Yoda feels Luke should grow up naturally and develop a natural power of the Force. Yoda realizes the failure of the Jedi order itself. After all, they are partially responsible for Anakin's turn to the dark-side. So perhaps Luke never is a "Jedi". Not like the Jedi of Yoda's time...So there is still balance at the end of the original saga Jedi:0 Sith:0

And blah blah blah bologni sandwich!


About Anakin being upset over the pregancy==wrong

He was ready and willing to leave the Jedi order for Padme. He didn't really want to be secretive about it.

The hell I know, I just remember reading that.

How do you guys get that Palpatine was Anakin's dad? What?

In response to the balance issue, it's not the balance of actual Sith and Jedi in numbers. To bring balance to the force, the Jedi had to rid the galaxy of the Sith.

It's not suggested anywhere in EP3 that Palpatine is Anakin's "father". Palpatine brings up a story (probably about his own master, but we don't know for sure) about a Sith lord that was so powerful, he was able to sustain life by essentially creating it. He never says anything about creating Anakin. Hell, I doubt he even knows there was only one parent.

Besides, Anakin is the Chosen One, a prophecy foretold since the beginning of the Jedi Order. The first Jedi were philosophers, studying the living force, and they came to the conclusion that the living force would create a Chosen One to rid the galaxy of the Sith, destroying the most evil the galaxy had ever seen. The Sith have been around ever since the Jedi have.

It all true, cuz my Essential Chronology book told me so.