As well as the slew of other things that George seemed to have raped from the original SW that we have been discussing here, the image and idea of a "Jedi" which was portrayed well in the Ep. 4,5,6 was absolutely destroyed in the most recent three.

I must say, I thought Samuel L Jackson was the least sophisticated Jedi and seemed like somewhat of a poser..........Thoughts????

What are you talking about?

Are you talking about the fact that Mace is supposed to be the Master Saberist of the Jedi Council and gets killed so easily?

my thought is that palpy just doesn't look right when he is sabering. it was just such a different style.

and mace was just a little preoccupied with the sith lord to think about anakin betraying him

And whoever says "He raped my childhood" should shut the hell up. It's his movies, and you aren't a child. Got a problem? Go watch the originals.

Samuel L Jackson was awesome in the most intense manner.

The whole "raped my childhood" thing only makes me think people are whiny *****es.

Indeed, raped your childhood?

Grow up.

QFT.
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"This party's over!"
Yeah that doesn't seem very jedi like....

I hated that line. For such a cool character... you'd expect him to be far more 'careful' with his words. Instead he's a token black man for the rest of us.

1. His poor dialogue: He sounds too American and doesent carry that jedi undertone. Especially talking in Ep. 3

2. His general disposition: He doesent have that "sophisticated" jedi look, he seems to antsy.

i thought he was good. he, like everyone, has a personality, and a jedi style (don't we all?). he was obviously one of the most powerfull jedi.

I agree with the poor dialogue. However, I think that his style is proper.

Dumb statements made by others rape my childhood.

We can't all be tosh British samurai.

-Case in point, Luke. Very non-Jedi Jedi. Wears black, uses cybernetic enhancements, and has a very brash way of doing things, just like... every Jedi who's letting down their guard of cool. Underneath it all they're just itching to whip out the saber and kill some bad guys.

I think he was trying to be too much like he was in Pulp Fiction. But maybe that's George's fault for not adding much to the character?

I would've liked to see Mace do more actually. We saw the other Jedi do quite a bit, even Yoda. But Mace just seemed to stay in the Jedi temple. Even sending someone else to stand in for him at Qui-Gon's funeral. :p

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I loved Luke in some of the books. For such a whiney kid from ANH, he turned into quite the bad ***.

Like in that one NJO book where he uses two sabers, that's a good one.
I just love, however, the fight in the Throne Room of Mount Tantiss in "The Last Command". Sure, he kinda sucks the whole time, and loses, but, in a way... he also beats himself, and get's killed by Mara Jade quite violently if I remember correctly... that book was like a Star Wars Acid Trip.

-Like the Holiday Special.

WHERE. IS. MA. SUPERSUIT?!
YOU TELL ME WHERE MY SUIT IS WOMAN!

MW: Where's Anakin?
Palpatine: what?
MW: Where's Anakin?
Palpatine: what?
MW: What aint no planet i ever heard of!!
MW: Does Yoda look like a hoe?
Palpatine: what?
MW: Say what one more time m... *ignites lightsaber*
Palpatine: No, no he does not.
MW: Then why are you trying to screw him like one?
Palpatine: what?
MW: *slash*

Man, i would have paid 200 more $ if GL merged PF and epy 3.

Mace Windu was just plain awesome though. I mean, he beat Palpatine, something Yoda couldn't do.

Not to mention, he's Samuel L. Jackson. The name itself presents a certain, "ownage" about him. As much as he may have not seemed like a Jedi, he sure did act like Yoda. He was slow to jump to conclusions, very thoughtful, and wise.

Kyle Katarn.

I've heard that George isn't very good at getting what he wants out of his actors. though that may be a rumor.

No, they're talking about episode three. The one in the theaters now. Not what ever fantasy version you have of it.

Sorry, a little bit of sarcasm there but, seriously, Windu hardly came close to defeating Palpatine. Not only did that old fool keep Windu at bay but converted a jedi to the darkside at the same time!

I would have enjoyed it more to see "Mace" be more like "Jules"

Heh, Jules Windu.

ok, mace knocked palpy's saber out the window i constitute that as defeating, anakin's arrival was more of a distraction for mace and really he was pretty much turned by that time, palpy just forced the event to occur.

BWAAAHAHAHAHA

Of course Mace Windu/Samuel L Jackson isn't a "regular" jedi...


He's the Badass one.

Mace Windu was unlike any other Jedi. His technique tread dangerously close to the Dark Side; so much that every other Jedi who used his techniques fell. Mace Windu used his anger as a source of power, but remained good through force of will alone.

He's a lot more like Luke Skywalker than Obi-Wan or Yoda.

...Honestly, though, the Emperor was very nearly chopped up into tiny bits by Mace Windu. That's something even Yoda couldn't do. Mace lost only because he was betrayed.

And the most likely reason that Palpy let Mace beat him for a bit was so he could pull the whole trick that let him convert Anakin to the Dark Side.



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Agreed. I think the Emperor was really in control the whole time. Th emperor's whole game was decieving people, tricking Anakin into thinking he was "weak and helpless" when in fact he cooked Windu's *** about a millisecond after Anakin sliced off Mace's hand .

Mace was absorbing the lightning (like yoda did as well) when Anakin broke his concentration. It was part of a ruse, but Palpatine was gambling. He knew what the odds were, and he took it.

Also, Palpatine had his saber in a position where he could have killed Mace easily on more than one occasion. Watch the fight closely.

You could say something similar about a lot of the prequel saber fights. Are you going to suggest next that Obi-Wan didn't really want to kill Darth Maul in Ep. I?

Everybody knows that the most un-Jedi-like Jedi are the Jedi in freaking Star Wars Galaxies. I need not say more.

As for Mace Windu- sure he was a bit unorthodox. But isn't that a good thing from the point of view of people watching the movie? Variation of character is good- makes things interesting. Leave the "jedi steeped in ritual and tradition" positions for Yoda and his ilk.

Sorry, I don't really see how that relates. I believe it was a part of Palpatine's plan to get knocked down by Mace so that he could play the innocent role in front of Anakin. The fact that Palpatine, a master swordsman, had his saber in a "kill zone" 2 to 3 times just seals the deal for me.

Not to mention that Palpatine says how weak and powerless he is, and then unleashes the fiercest lightning attack we've seen in the movies. Maybe Mace would have won if it wasn't for Anakin -- but we'll never know.

All I saw was Palpatine crying. I don't care if he was only "playing Anakins emotions" it looked wimp. "Look Ani, the big mean bald man hurted me" and the sequences following that disappointed me. Anakin could have been more resistant to the bull that was laid upon him, "You are now Darth Vader" with no explanation of why Palpatine chose to rename him to Vader, not even "it was the name of my late chiuahua whom I was rather fond of." and all the hype with "you must do what needs to be done" before he kills children was lame, at the very least it could have been something that made Vader seem "Powerful" like killing fully trained Jedi (or at least slicing Jarjar Binks one piece at a time to put him in severe agony and put a big smile of satisfaction on my face knowing that the parasite that has infected the new movies was finally no more).

The opening scene and special effects were great, but I like the "extended universe" where the characters are actually worth their weight. I have never read a novel on Star Wars, but I get the impression that Vader killed Jedi, not killed Children to later get owned by a Jedi.

All that hype about how he was spawned Miraculous from the Force and is supposed to have magnificant abilities seems to be a load of bull as he gets owned in every movie. I want to see him make a motion with his hand that makes a Jedi come to his knees in pain. Simular to the energy that Jerec expelled at Rahn in the opening cutscene to Jedi Knight (and I've seen something simular in a fan-film). If Jerec can do this, why not "The Chosen One?" The idea I have, is through battling, a Jedi gets fatigued as his "mana pool" diminishes. Vader, being conceived by the Force, would have a mana pool that virtually never diminishes. Come on, if Jerec can cause a supernova of stars in a fleeting thought, the "Chosen One" should at least have something that compares, even if god-like power isn't feasible for a good movie, at least make the character significant (eg. Vader made the walls fly at luke in ESB, this shows some power other than "Look at me, I swing a Jedi-sword").

I am a Star Wars fan, and though the new movies were fun, the stories were disappointing and in some cases child-like (honestly, I've seen better fan-films).

This topic has went from "The Least Jedi-Like Jedi" to "Opinions on Episode 3"

The least Jedi-Like Jedi would be one who isn't light or dark, but walks the fine line. Like Kyle from DF2/MotS and Mara Jade (same game)

I'm just saying that Palpatine not taking advantage of obvious opportunities to kill Windu is hardly proof positive that getting "beaten" by Windu was part of his plan all along, especially considering the style-over-sense approach choreographers seem to have taken to prequel saber fights.

After seeing the movie for a second time, I am of the opinion that Palpatine "faked" his weakness. First off, to me a Sith would beg for mercy, or act like a coward when faced with death. Palpatine did just that, as soon as he loses his saber he scurries up against that wall like a rat. To me, that sounds like a Sith. A Jedi in principle I suppose does not fear death, a Sith would. Secondly, the lightning attack he unleashes seems to directly contradict his supposed weakness. He seems to be just fine, and as soon as Windu is thrown from the window, the Emperor gets up rather easily. He doesn't need assistance or anything of the sort. In fact, Anakin seemed more shaken than Palpy did.

My idea of the "Dark Lord of the Sith" is that he does not bow, kneel, or cower in any way for any reason, his mastery of the Dark Side makes him more dangerous than a Jedi, therefore he has no reason to crumble before one.

Palpatine is obviously more powerful than those on the Jedi Council, as he can have tea with them and they can not sense his dark intentions, in fact, he must be projecting good intentions as to not raise suspicion as someone who is "blocking all vibes" would in the presence of the most powerful Jedi Masters.

A younger Sith Apprentice might try begging for mercy, then stab the one who showed mercy in the back first chance possible, but my idea of a Sith who can destroy a Jedi Master at any given time would simply destroy the Jedi Master.

At the moment, I can't think of a scene that would be better to use for the conversion of Vader, all I know is "that" scene simply ruined the story for me and most of my colleagues.