8/10? Or 16/20? Or maybe 32/40?

Or how about 4/5?

Please people, lets not bring race into this. We dealt with that thirty years ago. Heck, blacks have more privileges than whites now days.

Hey, I know that was wrong of the police officer to do as the next guy.

He should inform her that she is under arrest before using a taser on her. I don't recall him saying she was, therefore he broke the law.

Besides, I do NOT know of a cop who carries a taser gun around. At least in my state, our police officers only use tasers if there is an uprising/riot/big underaged wasting party.

You realize that Every. Single. Time. a cop pulls you over, his hand is on his gun as he approaches your car? If he can not see your hands as he approaches the car, he might go as far as to DRAW the gun? If you ever get pulled over, you PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL. And wait patiently. If you have to wait 10 minutes, wait 10 minutes.

Every time I've been pulled over, I have watched in my mirror the cop come to me, shine a flash light in my car mirror to "obstruct" my vision and approach my car with his hand on his gun. When they take your ID, you know they can identify what kind of person you are based on the photo? I was pulled over three times when I had the license where I wasn't smiling. Each time the cop took 3 steps back and put his hand back on his gun while he looked at my ID and then back at me. When I got pulled over last time, I had my new ID with me smiling, and he did not do that.

And your assessment of the video is race was being played here. How is yours right? How is mine right? How is yours wrong? How is mine wrong? Again without the facts on these 2 officers, you do not know. That woman might have been arrested before and resisted arrest the previous time. Again she had several warnings.



Oh the hypocracy in that statement. :p :p

Even if it isn't based on race (Florida cops), tasering someone because they won't hang up a cell phone is extreme as long as even one person has died from a taser. Resisting arrest or not, they put her life in danger, not the other way around.

[edit] Now, if she has warrants out for a serious crime, I could understand the extreme measures taken, but this looks like it could have seriously been resolved by giving her 10-20 seconds to resolve her conversation, and force may not have been necessary at all, instead, the officer chose rudeness and impatience. [/edit]

[edit] I did not see her swing at the cop, which is another reason I believe race may have possibly been a motive for their extreme meausres [/edit]

People have died from masturbation, should that be outlawed too?

In many cultures, it is.

I'm pretty sure it is illegal for a police officer to masturbate someone.

This article has a link to additional videos showing the initial stop.



Then she must be a mindreader: "Mark, the police pulled me over and he's telling me he's going to arrest me."

Wow, that's pretty funny. I must be getting slow in my old age, I should have thought of that.

OH man I am sooooo gonna break the law!


I mean *ahem*


Yes...we caught you doing something wrong, lets WAIT for your CONVENIENCE to finish your conversation and then we'll get on with ours. No no don't hurry...I've got all night to sit here while you talk on your phone.


Agian dont' even think that this MAY be a deadly situation. No no, just slowly finish your conversation and put your cell phone in your glove box where you might have a gun that you'll shoot me with.


Oh and telling them their under arrest....yeah right
Can you imagine when the SWAT team breaks into a guys house one of them hurries and yells "YOU'RE UND..." of course he wont' finish because by then he's already pulled the trigger and kill you....whoops guess you should have known they were gonna do something to you when they ordered you outa the house.
I think you should be glad normal people don't carry around tasers...I'd have already shot you Ness

Are you suggesting that every local police department in Florida is full of racists?

I think incapacitating her probably took longer than waiting for her conversation to end would have.

Yeah because we all know women finish phone conversations pretty quickly. Lets let her find a convenience store with a rest room and have her a take a "quick" bathroom break while we're at it.

You know what? Everyone here is forgetting one key fact...its a WOMAN on a CELL PHONE in a CAR.


Woman + Car = Bad, Woman + Cell Phone + Car = Worse

The woman could have very well had a weapon. It is much better for a police officer to use force and taze someone who appears suspicious or is uncooperative, then just letting them be and taking the risk that the suspect has a weapon and could shoot.

Also, you have no proof that race was involved. Noting that they were 'Florida cops' doesn't mean a thing.

the moral of the story is listen to the law. and as for the harmless toys remark, every officer that is issued a taser has to be tased first (which is why they said "we have been tased before" and I know some people how are on the force who have said the same thing. Also, he warned her several times. All they need to do is tell you once, and if you don't do it, you get your *** tased.. How did the cop know she wasn't going to try to pull a weapon.. when a policeman tells you to do something, and you don't do it.. then he says "i'm gonna tase you if you don't.. and you still don't do it... odds are, you are gonna get tased.... and it's not like it was only because of the "cell phone"... he asked her to step out of the vehicle or be tased... getting her away from any possible concieled weapons.... You will find out that any time you approach an unknown vehicle, you could die. I've had a cop pull me over with his gun unholstered twice... you also have to take into account the area this was in.. as in crime, it might be a very criminally active area. They didn't even have to have "REVOKED LICENSES" they could have just been like.. you are under arrest because you would not follow orders.... That's what I would have said.. she didn't need an explination... I thought it was really funny to watch, and she got what she diserved...

Oh and just so everyone realizes....this happened 10 months ago. Its an old story that she probably had some reporter put back in the news for some publicity I imagine.


So I suggest rather than debate on it endlessly...we let it die like it should have.

I find it amazing how many people fail to understand that complacently accepting things like this just opens the door for police corruption. Even if you think that these officers made the right choice, if things like this are generally accepted others can easily make the wrong choice in a different situation.

Also, not every officer that is issued a taser has to be tased first. There may be different rules in different areas concerning tasers, but the police officer who spoke at my school specifically said that being tased was optional.

Get a clue...they were either gonna taze her or beat the **** outa her to get her outa the car. There was no third option.

She was *calling* her brother so he could back her up.

I know if the person I pulled over was calling for backup I'd be stopping them and calling for backup myself.

Watch that extra footage on the news site with and without the commentary. It's rediculous what this lady does.

Agreed, while it would have saved her some trouble to just hang up the phone, the cop SHOULD have gave her as long as it reasonably takes to finish her conversation.

I am not concerned with the cops saftey, Florida is just as if not more dangerous for unarmed civilians than cops who have guns, armored vests, and travel in teams. I am concerned about the saftey of a civilian. As ignorant as she may be, there was NO REASON WHATSOEVER to use a POTENTIALLY DEADLY weapon on her. The police here are meant to serve the public by getting rid of villians, not acting like villians by treating misdemeanors like felonies and responding with POTENTIALLY DEADLY force.

And just so Duo realizes, I am a citizen of the United States, I have freedom of speech, freedom of press, and I can talk about how my government handles its problems how I want, when I want, and where I want. This thread will end when either 3 weeks passes since its creation, or Brian or one of his followers deems that it is no longer an appropriate use of their private server, as stated by their terms of use, not yours. If I choose to continue this conversation after that time, I can do so through other means of communication, for as long as I wish.

Just because something happened a long time ago, doesn't make it any less important.

If educating myself means I have to overreact to a couple freak accidents, count me out, Nesseight.

You're a child....



Glad you care



Glad to know you're a 'citizen' of the good ol USA, but since Police is part of the state I wonder if you even live in Florida.



Funny thing that...she was STARTING a conversation not about to finish it.




But thats fine Mr "omg I don't care about the police they are always BAD! DAMN THE MAN DAMN THE MAN!"

Heres the thing about free speech and the internet though...

It TOTALLY doesn't exist.

You don't own the server, you don't own the domain, therefore you can't shoot your mouth off about whatever you'd like to.


It's kind of like being on private property. If you don't like the rules... leave the property...

Not saying you're doing anything wrong... just letting you know, rights don't translate onto the internet.

Reread what I posted.

Oh we did Mr Citizen of the United States.

You specifically said you could talk about your government when and where you wanted.

What Rob kindly pointed out is that your "right" to do so doesn't exist here. It also doesn't exist in any other country just fyi.

Hmm thats wierd, there is no period at the end of this sentence. Oh wait, thats because it was quoted completely out of context.

Oh yeah? Stop me.
You can't, only the mods can, yet they have no reason to, so they don't, now quit talking (oh yeah, I can't make you stop talking either, don't you think that is a good thing?).

Now, if you're done flaming my beliefs, I would like to get back on the subject of this topic, at least before you flame me enough that someone closes this because of all the flaming and you feel empowered.

Oh, we cannot.

You see, were aren't the authoratah here.

Though, it'd be funny if someone edited your post, just for kicks.

Stop, please?

Hey look, heres an impression of you!


Omg! I am US! You can't mess with US! My opinion is better than yours because I live in US! OH! And you can't tell me I'm wrong, because I have the freedom of speech!




Hacha cha cha

Freedom of speech exists in several other countries.

The Internet isn't a country.

And here's my impression of you:

Oh, this American is fond of his rights? Well I don't like his opinions or his rights so I am going to prove that his rights mean jack here by being immature and flaming him until a mod sees how this conversation went off topic and closes it. That'll teach him.

Grow up.

I wasn't talking about the internet.

You're the self-rightous one pally.

Of course I'm fond of my rights. (Which is why I HATE things like Homeland Security) But the dealie is this; You don't have rights on the internet.

I've already stated that my rights here are only good here until the administrator decides that he no longer likes the subject, and that still wouldn't stop me from continuing to express myself through another medium like MSN Messenger should I chose to do so.

If that offends you so much, then feel free to express that to me via PM, but please don't hijack the thread and make it unusable, that's childish.

Quit the bickering or bannination will commence.

The police officer was eating a peanut butter sandwich, 1 in 1 million people has a nut allergy, placing her under arrest using the utmost minimal force is "Potentially deadly". Your argument is flawed.

Where did I say I was offended?

Point it out to me... cause I missed it.




I was just saying..

You don't have rights on the Internet.

It's the way it works, sad but true.