Um, playing football, probably the most grueling sport in the world in all weathers will do just that. Nice try.



Get in the weight room with your football strength and conditioning coach, and you will build EVERYTHING including your upper body, giving every part of the body the same attention. Nice try.




If you are competetive, you dont need to be in solitude and have to catch up with teammates per se to increase you psyche. The competetive nature of football takes care of that. Plus you do it around people who are after the same ultimate goal.



The lessons your learn about working with people and being a team player will be far more useful in the real world then learning how to be by yourself. You may not put you were on your high school football team on your resume, but you can at least put you work well with people and have a good understanding of being a team player, without lying.



Sorry buddy, football does all of that.

I made no inferences about XC

Except that very large percentage of people who play football stop after high school while many people who run cross country continue to run for years after becaue they don't need a whole team to run.

i take that comment about football pads offensive, my brother tore his ACU in a football scrimmage before there first game in his senior year, wasn't able to play again. those pads protect u. a runner doesnt need protection inless there scared of the sun. all runners do is run from a fight at my school. footplayer have like a 90% more chance of getting hurt then a runner does.

Far enough, but most of my teammates and I pride ourselves in being called athletes. That alone keeps me doing anything to keep in shape after high school. Go to the weight room, join a club.

This discussion is retarded. APPLES AND ORANGES PEOPLE. Apples and oranges.

For sure. Is till play soccer, lacorsse and lift despite not playing either of those sports in college.

You've obviosly never had the back of your leg torn to ribbons by an ******* with quarter inch metal spikes in his shoes. You've also obviously never even seen the beginning of a large cross country race, let alone been in the middle of over a hundred bodies all trying to squeeze into a lane maybe ten/fifteen feet wide.

Judging by what you have said, Zloc, I think that you sould go with cross country. Though you may not get as much "glory" as with football, sports (IMO) are not about glory.



You've obvoiusly never tried rowing in a squall in 30 degree weather. Rowing is one of the most difficult sports of all time.

Ummm... are you stupid? I'd think so. Football players wear those PADS so they don't get mainly neck, back and head injuries. Injuries that could ruin their physical abilities for the rest of their life. I'm pretty sure runners run in shorts and shirts because they're not pummeling eachother... they're running. I agree, running is extremely physical taxing, but you're not having a 240+ pound linebacker trying to lay out your *** every play.

The pads mean they hit each other a lot harder than other sports, like Rugby.

Football>CC

Football practice does not have as much running but it does many other things. After a football practice i was much more relived with stress. After the first week, i was in great shape and was having a great time. I like the idea of running for a purpose, instead of just running to get in shape.

I think fooball is much more involved. It begins with spring training, practice all summer long and double sessions. Running with pads on is not that easy.



You've obviously never tried to throw or catch a ball in thirty degree weather. Getting hit at that temp also hurts your arms, legs and hands.

The copmexity of fotball is much greater. I really think football is the best choice, and is the most fun thing i have ever done:D

I said probably, which leaves a hint of doubt, smart ***.

My roomate rows, so I can agree with that.

The only thing that's keeping me from going 100% CC is I can't hit people. Last year in football, for the last 2 or 3 games (there's only like 8. Hey, it is Junior high!) my father, sat me down and looked me in the eye. He opened his mouth and said "Watch the movie Water Boy again, and see if it helps you learn how to hit harder."

And thus, I began visualizing the ******* coach's head in front of me, and I hit harder, ran faster, and got meaner. I broke through the line faster, and sacked the QB countless times.

I loved getting up their on defense, leaning in on my front hand, waiting for the snap, and just beating the guy in front of me back. Another thing is my parents said they refuse to drive me 1 hr. - 2 hr. again this year for more away games. Last year, we had no home games and I lost half my weekend. But judging from all I'm hearing, it's gonna be CC, and that doesn't bother me. You guys aren't the completely deciding factor, but you've shown me some opinions I hadn't thought of.

Where do you live? There might be other sports youcan play to stick people.

While I do not approve of the use of "retarded" the underlying principle is there. It is comparing two unrelated things.

We're gonna argue here until our fingers are blue.

That right there is an example of why playing football is bad.

Another thing you should consider is Combat sports.

Boxers are in more physical shape then us Kenpo/Tai Chi (martial artist) people are. But the advantage of taking martial arts? You actually get to hit people, and it's usefull. Watching men tackle each other and running around in a circle is cool and all, but it gets boring after a while. What's interesting, at least to me, is getting someone beat up.

That's why what little T.V. I watch is [adult swim] and Wrestling, Boxing, and combat shows.

Eh. You don't have to be in track to be in better physical shape. I'm in Karate and all, but I still go to the gym at least 4 times a week for about 3 hours/day.

(I wrote this message late at night in my time zone, so I may edit it tomorrow.)

I only did about a year of boxing, and I can still kick the crap out of martial arts dorks.

Then again.. I did three years of martial arts.. But it's not like I use any of it.. I'm not that flexible anymore..

Probally Tae Kwon Do people.

haha

Interesting.

I actually made a thread a little while back about which 80's action hero would come out on top. Among the contenders were Arnold Shwarzenegger (sp?) and Chuck Norris. Now, from what I know, Chuck Norris was a Martial Arts expert, and Arnie was Mr. Olympia winner (I'm not sure if it's "Mr."), numerous times. In a flat out brawl, in both mens prime, who do you think would win?

I'm curious, especially since you seem to know what you're talking about here (you take some form of martial arts, right?).

Honestly..

Arnie has ALOT of reach over Chuck Norris...

I don't think Chucky would make it too far, mosty because he's not asian, and he's NOT Bruce Lee..

Yes, I do take Kenpo. It's a Okinawan form, and the art which Bruce Lee used before he developed his art. Kenpo has the lineage of history in which surpasses all martial arts, and Kenpo is used widely on the streets, because of trained Police officers. Tai Chi is a very, very common martial art which is more of a dance, or what we call "Kata". It's slow, and seems virtually harmless, but could be very...threatening. It uses Chi (or Qi) energy, or what scientist call, "bioelectromagnetics", which does "supernatural" things.

Chuck Norris vs. Arnold would be a very good fight.

There are advantages with both people, but I would say if Chuck Norris knew his stuff right, he would win. Despite popular belief, size and muscel mass does not determind the outcome of a match against trained fighters, especially martial artist. If Chuck Norris knew acupuncture (pressure points), he would win, hands down. There are a few determinding factors though:

1.) Age difference (although you said their prime)
2.) Type of fight. A street brawl, wrestling, boxing, sparring or weapons match?
3.) If Chuck knows Acupuncture.
4.) If it's a wrestling/boxing match, Arnold would win, 90% sure.
5.) Fighting experiance.

I could go on, but I'm tired.

He was one of Bruce Lee's pupils though.

This is one of those times where the student does not surpass the teacher.

Haha so true. I don't like Martial Arts. It gives you the tools to fight but it turns you into a sissy who is too scared to use said tools, since they are simply tought to flee from confrontation whenever possible.

It's not that at all..

They just can't fight..

Any martial artist would know to go for one shot to end the fight. Even Chuck Norris would be able to do that to someone bigger than he is.

It would be wise to understand there are differences in types and styles of martial arts, and not all do it.



And about versing boxers, I have fought a total of two boxers in my life, one was a silverglove, and both where a friendly street brawl. The are really, really tough to beat for two reasons, One: they have more stanima. Two, their punches are like other martial artist (a trained fist). The things that allowed me to win? Their stance left them open for me to lay in a direct leg shot and follow up with a combo from there.

Remeber, that Boxers can go for a long time, because they physically work out more than we do (unless you're like me and go to the gym...well, now I do). And martial arts isn't about winning fights against people in set matches, it's about self defence. We realize that you're not going to be stretched out, in your boxing shorts (yes, clothing matters when fighting sometimes), and typically not the best shape you can be in (10 years after high school and still going to the gym? You can try.)

This is true for most common arts that you guys are used to, including Tae Kwon Do.

But I don't want to be a person to bring this thread off topic here, I was just saying that it's more enjoyable to actually fight than pushing big sweaty men and.....well, running. In my opinion, at least.

About martial artists being sissies, I beg to differ. The only time I ever fought, I completely demolished the guy. He just ticked me over board during class and he paid the price for it. (Him and everyone else of course. I was one of those guys that got picked on until that fight, then I was respected)

Anyway, I about got thrown out of school because of a martial arts background. Technically, martial artists are considered weapons, same as anyone who has had military combat training.

Some states require you to actually regiester your hands as leathal weapons as martial artist.

Yay for generalizations!

It has nothing to do with being scared. It's being above senseless violence. You are taught not to fight for the sake of fighting. However, if you are in a situation where to need to used what you've learned, you are taught to go for it all. Also not all martial arts are passive or defensive forms. Some are very agressive in terms of what you learn.

Arnie and Chuck

i think Arnie would take that hands down, in there prime, he was huge in muscle size and would be able to take a lot of Chuck's hits. And a hit from Arnie would hurt like a *****

But all that muscle mass would be hard and very tiring to move. He might be able to bench 500 pounds, but he can't move quickly. And in a fight, especially against someone who is trained, that's what matters.

If he can't hit you, it won't matter how strong he is.

lol, that muscle mass would make him move fast, thats if he trained to do so, muscles are made to not only move its self but more weight then it is. he would get tired if he have any aerobic training or endurance, which i bet he had. he would get hits all over chuck, pick the dude up and slam him down, be a cruel match.

Big muscles doesn't mean someone knows how to fight. Chuck Norris was a world karate champion in his prime.

I took Tae Kwon Do from 2nd Grade to early 5th grade, and learned a great deal. However, we were never allowed to go full contact and it sucked. I was an awesome sparrer..if that's a word. But I got tired of it. Yes, I enjoyed it. But there's only SO much of the same move you can take. There's only SO many monday nights you can give up. Well, actually, it was just too repetitive for the time. Now, I would prolly enjoy it more. But I have no real want to go back full time. I'm going to go with CC I've decided. I'll do football in 8th grade, and HOPEFULLY they'll have that damn field and school finished so we can have home games!

Exactly.

If you don't believe me, get trained to defend yourself and try it out. Leagally and with a "friend", of course (don't start fights...but if you have a beginner 7 ft. 350 lb monster at the place you would train at, ask if you could spar him.)