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Drugs, drugs, and more drugs!
2005-06-10, 12:59 AM #1
Lately I've been shocked at the amount of commercials for drugs on tv. It seems like every commercial break there is a new drug for any little health inconveniance from overactive bladder to who knows what the ****. It just seems ridiculous. "Don't take drugs kids! At least, not the ones that get you high, those are dangerous! But of course, feel free to pop anything your local pharmacutical company has to offer, after all, it's thoroughly government tested and is completely safe! (Although side effects include severe risk of heart failure, liver failure, brain damage, and occassionally death)"

We are sending such a mixed message to today's youth it's not even funny. How do you plan to keep your kid's off drugs when every other commericla they see on TV is an advertisement for a drug? It's just going to condition society to medicate away any of their problems. Can't fit in at school? Your not shy, you have a disorder! Pop this purple pill every day and you'll be normal! ...It's just so ****ed up.
2005-06-10, 1:10 AM #2
/me is so glad that we dont have advertising for perscription medicinces (especialy ones with nasty side effects) in australia. When I went to the U.S., I saw many of those comercials that it lost the humour that is seen in the "side-effects may be worse than the symtoms of your problem" feel to them.
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2005-06-10, 1:13 AM #3
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Originally posted by alpha1
I saw many of those comercials that it lost the humour that is seen in the "side-effects may be worse than the symtoms of your problem" feel to them.


I saw a commercial for a herpes drug and one of the possible side effects was death!
2005-06-10, 1:16 AM #4
I try not to take any drugs. I take advair, but when I don't I have trouble breathing. But other than that, I don't take anything. When I get a headache I lie down, and don't take pain relieve unless I need to concentrate on something.
2005-06-10, 1:21 AM #5
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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
I saw a commercial for a herpes drug and one of the possible side effects was death!


:eek: you mean that thng actualy exists. I always thought that was just something that was used as a joke. :eek:
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2005-06-10, 1:23 AM #6
no, herpes does infact exist.
Its not some wise tale parents tell in order to get you to not have sex.
2005-06-10, 1:23 AM #7
I sig is familiar. isn't it based on that anti drug ad from some superbowl.
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2005-06-10, 2:00 AM #8
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Originally posted by Duo Maxwell
no, herpes does infact exist.
Its not some wise tale parents tell in order to get you to not have sex.


if you read all my posts, you would have realized I was refering to the drug side effect. :rolleyes:
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2005-06-10, 2:21 AM #9
I can't say any drugs i've taken have given me herpes....yet
2005-06-10, 3:00 AM #10
Drugs are bad, mmmkaay?*





*A complete lie, they actually rock.
2005-06-10, 5:24 AM #11
I love watching those commericals. Its like a comedy, the punchline is the super fast speech of all the side effects at the end of the commerical, while some werido runs around with baloons or something. Oblivious to the fact that he or she may go blind or die.

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2005-06-10, 7:04 AM #12
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Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
I try not to take any drugs. I take advair, but when I don't I have trouble breathing. But other than that, I don't take anything. When I get a headache I lie down, and don't take pain relieve unless I need to concentrate on something.


HELL YES!
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2005-06-10, 7:17 AM #13
Quote:
Originally posted by Vincent Valentine
I try not to take any drugs. I take advair, but when I don't I have trouble breathing. But other than that, I don't take anything. When I get a headache I lie down, and don't take pain relieve unless I need to concentrate on something.
Me too. Ironically, my lack of taking medications has (possibly) left me healthier. I have an immune system. So I use it. Jeesh.

I haven't been sick in years. Go me! :p
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2005-06-10, 7:24 AM #14
Yeah, I laugh at people who need to take asprin or whatever just to get rid of a headache. But, there are times where medication is need because said headache may not go away or something similar.
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2005-06-10, 8:01 AM #15
vinny must have never had a migraine.
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2005-06-10, 8:32 AM #16
Ahhh, doctors and their overprescriptions. A killing combination.
2005-06-10, 8:36 AM #17
I just love how these are all perscription drugs. Am I a doctor? What business do I have telling a doctor to perscribe me something, about which I know nothing?

That and I kinda think this pill-me-up mindset is bs. I'm with Vinny. Not even going into the wierd conspiracy theory about how if the pill actually cured you, they'd lose a potential lifetime customer.
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2005-06-10, 8:49 AM #18
Yeah, we're all going to have a really bad day once we realize that we're over medicated and suddenly viruses and bacterial adapt and resist medications. MRSA anyone?
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2005-06-10, 8:51 AM #19
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Originally posted by DogSRoOL
Me too. Ironically, my lack of taking medications has (possibly) left me healthier. I have an immune system. So I use it. Jeesh.


Headaches aren't a result of any viral attack. Typically, they result of the expansion of blood vessels. And what about allergies during Spring/Fall? That's a product of an overreactive immune system.

While I don't condone the whole "use pill to lose weight" crap, not all over-the-counter drugs are a bad thing.
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2005-06-10, 9:17 AM #20
Ya know, alot of the side effects for some of the advertised drugs are what you take drugs to stop in the first place.

I was watching this one thing for a guy selling a book, I think it was called "natural cures they don't want you to know about" or something. Anyways, the guy was talking about drug companies right now. About how they don't want you know about possible natural cures or anything because that would take away from you buying their drugs.

Also how you possible couldn't advertise many natural cures for basic things because it must be called a disease in order to have their drug advertised. ie: heartburn now being call acid reflux disease when it's nothing new. By disease they try to make it sound like the flu or something that you need some magical drug for.

It was rather interesting...some of what he was talking about sounded a bit paranoid but stuff like that sounded interesting.
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2005-06-10, 9:38 AM #21
Yeah, some people think drug companies are the epitome of evil. Somtimes I think they're just greedy bastards.
2005-06-10, 10:23 AM #22
Most of them are.

I'm sick of all he ED drug commercials.
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2005-06-10, 10:59 AM #23
This has never made sense to me.. (not startinga marijuana debate, just pointing out some wierd facts)

Marijuana, a drug that has never in its over 10 thousand years of useage caused one single death, nor been scientifically proven/linked to a death, is outlawed and said to be a very bad/abusive substance. Yet, it can help millions of people with ADD, ADHD, Cancer, AIDS, MS, Diabetes, Arthritis, and many other diseases. It's still shunned on. Yet, you can go to your local pharmacy and see hundreds of drugs that don't help as much, and have potentially fatal side effects. What sense does that make?
2005-06-10, 12:16 PM #24
My friend is absolutely convinced that the drug companies have a cure for cancer, but they won't release it because they make more money from the current treatments. I tell them that they may be money-grubbing bastards, but they aren't completely evil.
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2005-06-10, 12:28 PM #25
I do somewhat believe that the government has developed a cure for cancer, however there is too much money to be made by funding into "research".
2005-06-10, 1:46 PM #26
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Originally posted by Temperamental
This has never made sense to me.. (not startinga marijuana debate, just pointing out some wierd facts)

Marijuana, a drug that has never in its over 10 thousand years of useage caused one single death, nor been scientifically proven/linked to a death, is outlawed and said to be a very bad/abusive substance. Yet, it can help millions of people with ADD, ADHD, Cancer, AIDS, MS, Diabetes, Arthritis, and many other diseases. It's still shunned on. Yet, you can go to your local pharmacy and see hundreds of drugs that don't help as much, and have potentially fatal side effects. What sense does that make?


The only time you may die is if you manage to somehow be alergic to it. But how many deaths has that been? Like 3?
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2005-06-10, 2:50 PM #27
If even. :p
2005-06-10, 2:53 PM #28
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Originally posted by Bounty Hunter 4 hire
That and I kinda think this pill-me-up mindset is bs. I'm with Vinny. Not even going into the wierd conspiracy theory about how if the pill actually cured you, they'd lose a potential lifetime customer.
It's not as much a 'theory' as most people think. Which brings me to a rant on the FDA. Which I'll get to in a moment.
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Originally posted by Wolfy
Headaches aren't a result of any viral attack. Typically, they result of the expansion of blood vessels. And what about allergies during Spring/Fall? That's a product of an overreactive immune system.

Your telling this to a guy who grew up with a plethera of headaches and always popped tylenol or ibuprofen. Albeit, I had one migrane recently, but I took it like a man. ;)
And a doctor actually told my mom this: Taking allergy medication only makes your allergy problems worse in the long run. But people today are irresponsible. Hell with long term effects, right? Immediate effects seem to be more important to most people.

Do you guys realize how many medications treat the symptoms instead of the actual problem? And why not? More money can be earned that way.
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Originally posted by JediGreedo
Ya know, alot of the side effects for some of the advertised drugs are what you take drugs to stop in the first place.
That may sound strange, but take something as simple as caffeine. It can cause headaches, yet is also a solution for them. Which I realize caffeine is a "drug" I often take, since it's almost impossible to avoid it.
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I was watching this one thing for a guy selling a book, I think it was called "natural cures they don't want you to know about" or something. Anyways, the guy was talking about drug companies right now. About how they don't want you know about possible natural cures or anything because that would take away from you buying their drugs.

Actually, the FDA has been known to forcefully shut down such companies. And by "forcefully," I mean with guns in hand. They've decided that something can't say "cure" on it unless it's FDA endorsed. :rolleyes:
For example, why can the US not import drugs from Canada, when they're exactly the same in every way, except for lack of FDA approval? Being realistic, an FDA seal of approval doesn't change medications effect.

Quote:
Also how you possible couldn't advertise many natural cures for basic things because it must be called a disease in order to have their drug advertised. ie: heartburn now being call acid reflux disease when it's nothing new. By disease they try to make it sound like the flu or something that you need some magical drug for.

Actually, acid reflux is recurring heartburn, where as heartburn is generally a once-in-a-while thing.

Supposedly, acid reflux and/or heartburn is caused by spicey foods, or too much acidic food. But tell me something: If it's caused by taking in too much acids, why would your body start producing more stomach acid? In actuality, it happens when the acid in your stomach has becoming too weak or neutralized from foods or whatever. Don't believe me? Next time you get heartburn, take a teaspoon (or maybe it was a tablespoon) of vinegar and see how long (or rather, how soon) your heartburn stops.
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2005-06-10, 3:39 PM #29
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Originally posted by Jedigreedo
I was watching this one thing for a guy selling a book, I think it was called "natural cures they don't want you to know about" or something. Anyways, the guy was talking about drug companies right now. About how they don't want you know about possible natural cures or anything because that would take away from you buying their drugs.


One of the biggest natural cures is marijuana! It can cure so many ailments with far fewer side effects. For example, you can take oxycontin for pain relieve, but it's habit forming (CONSIDERING IT'S BASICALLY HEROIN) and many users hate it! It has a huge amount of negative health impacts. But of course, it's legal because the pharmacitical companies have a firm hold on it, and can still make money off it. Whereas, marijuana, which many, many patients prefer over oxycontin since it doesn't have the same physical addiction, far fewer side effects. But of course, marijuana is a natural plant. If everyone started using that for pain relieve they could just grow their own and the drug companies would be out of business. IMO this is the number one reason why marijuana is still illegal. theres just too much money to be made by keeping it illegal.

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2005-06-10, 4:25 PM #30
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
This has never made sense to me.. (not startinga marijuana debate, just pointing out some wierd facts)

Marijuana, a drug that has never in its over 10 thousand years of useage caused one single death, nor been scientifically proven/linked to a death, is outlawed and said to be a very bad/abusive substance. Yet, it can help millions of people with ADD, ADHD, Cancer, AIDS, MS, Diabetes, Arthritis, and many other diseases. It's still shunned on. Yet, you can go to your local pharmacy and see hundreds of drugs that don't help as much, and have potentially fatal side effects. What sense does that make?


Exactly. What do they prescribe for ADHD? Speed. Adderall. That gives us a whole generation of tweaked-out adolescents. And they wonder why there's so many problems with meth? Or give them Strattera, which has so many side-effects, it makes ADHD seem good in comparison.
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2005-06-10, 5:01 PM #31
Quote:
Originally posted by Raoul Duke
But of course, marijuana is a natural plant. If everyone started using that for pain relieve they could just grow their own and the drug companies would be out of business. IMO this is the number one reason why marijuana is still illegal. theres just too much money to be made by keeping it illegal.
Exactly. The government cares very little about the public's well-being. But they make all these efforts to make it look like they do.
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2005-06-10, 5:52 PM #32
Quote:
Originally posted by stat
Exactly. What do they prescribe for ADHD? Speed. Adderall. That gives us a whole generation of tweaked-out adolescents. And they wonder why there's so many problems with meth? Or give them Strattera, which has so many side-effects, it makes ADHD seem good in comparison.
My brother refuses to take his medicine because he doesn't feel like himself when he does.
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2005-06-10, 6:00 PM #33
Then who does he feel like?

*crickets*

never mind. :o
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2005-06-11, 8:35 AM #34
Quote:
Originally posted by DogSRoOL
That may sound strange, but take something as simple as caffeine. It can cause headaches, yet is also a solution for them. Which I realize caffeine is a "drug" I often take, since it's almost impossible to avoid it.


Well, that is because the headaches are a symptom of the physical caffeine withdrawl, while side-effects for pharmecuticals are normally simply effects, they happen when you take it, not when you stop.

On a side note, that's why i'm going to get into the pharmecutical buisness, to see if i can get some decent drugs out there for problems that can't be fixed by an effort of will. i subrscribe to the same thing as vinny. i take medication only when absolutely necessary, such as the penicillan i took after my wisdom teeth were taken out or a cough drop before a performance if my throat is sore. I try to keep even that stuff to a minimum, though. I stopped taking the painkillers the second day after i got my teeth out, i had enough for about a week.
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2005-06-11, 9:59 AM #35
When I was younger I was on several drugs for my Tourette's and ADHD

Haldol, Risperidol, Ritalin, and one more I can't remember.. But neither of them worked, some made me just sleep all the time, while others actually made my symptoms worse to the point where I almost had to quit school (I was going wild and couldn't concentrate on ANYTHING).
2005-06-11, 10:20 AM #36
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Originally posted by Noble Outlaw
Well, that is because the headaches are a symptom of the physical caffeine withdrawl, while side-effects for pharmecuticals are normally simply effects, they happen when you take it, not when you stop.
According to my childhood doctor, it's actually excess amounts of caffeine that cause headaches. That used to be a problem for me, but it doesn't affect me one way or the other anymore. My caffeine intake swings from insanely high amounts (from soda and such) to nearly nothing without affecting me at all. I've been known to drink many many 2-liters of Mountain Dew within a week's time, and then completely drop caffeine out of my diet. Nothing.
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2005-06-11, 10:33 AM #37
Quote:
Originally posted by Temperamental
This has never made sense to me.. (not startinga marijuana debate, just pointing out some wierd facts)

Marijuana, a drug that has never in its over 10 thousand years of useage caused one single death, nor been scientifically proven/linked to a death, is outlawed and said to be a very bad/abusive substance. Yet, it can help millions of people with ADD, ADHD, Cancer, AIDS, MS, Diabetes, Arthritis, and many other diseases. It's still shunned on. Yet, you can go to your local pharmacy and see hundreds of drugs that don't help as much, and have potentially fatal side effects. What sense does that make?


So what about all of those people who got in a car high off weed and hit someone, instantly killing them. That was caused by what? Bad driving?
2005-06-11, 10:35 AM #38
Quote:
Originally posted by DogSRoOL
According to my childhood doctor, it's actually excess amounts of caffeine that cause headaches. That used to be a problem for me, but it doesn't affect me one way or the other anymore. My caffeine intake swings from insanely high amounts (from soda and such) to nearly nothing without affecting me at all. I've been known to drink many many 2-liters of Mountain Dew within a week's time, and then completely drop caffeine out of my diet. Nothing.


I think it depends on the person, like any addicting drug, like how some people can quit smoking cold turkey. Caffene never affects me in the slightest, niether waking me up or headaches or anything. But my teacher went off it for the south beach diet (your not supposed to have too much, it makes you hungry) and had bad headaches and otehr bad stuff, she went back on it it was so bad.

Quote:
Originally posted by SideBurns
So what about all of those people who got in a car high off weed and hit someone, instantly killing them. That was caused by what? Bad driving?


Even more of those accidents happen with drunk drivers, and yet alcohol isn't banned. Not for lack of trying, but still.
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2005-06-11, 10:49 AM #39
Quote:
So what about all of those people who got in a car high off weed and hit someone, instantly killing them. That was caused by what? Bad driving?



1. You don't get in a car BECAUSE of the drug, you get in the car BECAUSE of your stupidity. THe drug doesn't make up the actions of the person, especially in Marijuana's sake. It doesn't alter you THAT much. Any bad decisions made are on the part ofhe person being completely stupid, not "Oh he smoked a joint so he was high as hell and didn't know what he was doing".

2. This isn't a Marijuana debate, I was just pointing out one of the facts against other drugs and why it's wierd that it's illegal, given the non-harmful circumstances and extremely beneficial medical use.
2005-06-11, 10:58 AM #40
You could make the case then, that NO drugs are to blame, because a person has to be stupid in the first place to take them.

And no, this wasn't a weed debate, but you said something that was wrong, so I corrected it.
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