You didn't correct it because what you said wasn't correct. Weed doesn't make you make that decision,the person does. Weed does NOT affect you to that extent.

I'm fairly certain that Alcohol is the same, but I've never been so drunk to that point so I have no idea it's effects at that far into drunkness, so I'm not going to comment.

I've only been drunk once, so i relaly can't say anything, but i do remember thinking for a second "hey, i could drive like this". It was only a second, and i thought "you sure as hell better not!" a few seconds later, but still, the thought was there, so i can see someone who was completely blasted thinking they could drive, stupid or not.

alcohol is completely different then weed in that sense. Yes, alcohol completely clouds your judgement. If you drink enough you won't even be concious of your own actions (ie: if you wake up the next morning and have no clue what happened or what you did, were you even in control? your basically unconcious of your own actions)

As for the ridiculous comment "What about all those people who die from being high driving."

That just isn't true. It's not really a problem.

"You could make the case then, that NO drugs are to blame, because a person has to be stupid in the first place to take them."

No, you couldn't really make that case. But thanks for the mangled attempt at logic. Some drugs mess you up to the point where your decisions etc are drastically affected. Weed is a milder drug. It does not really do that.

I'd like to point out, before someone confuses this with normal cannabis, that you can get joints that are a mix of cannabis and LSD, and they most certainly will affect your judgement.

Does not really do that?

I'm sorry, but I've seen friends stoned off of nothing but weed do incedibly stupid things that they later regretted. And don't you think it would be possible for weed to cloud your judgement enough that you would think you could drive, or to make you do something stupid enough to get yourself or someone else killed? In the 10 thousand years that people have been using it, I think there may be a SLIGHT chance that this happened at least once. And the comment was that it had NEVER happened.

Okay then, prove it's happened.

Um, back on topic here...

I'll certainly agree that many drugs are a result of corporate greed, especially the differences in antihistamines. While some people respond to some antihistamines better than others (Clarinex didn't do crap for me, but Zyrtec works pretty well) companies like to take one drug, like Claritin, change one or two atoms in the forumla that don't have a significant effect, and call it something new so they can get around patents. Exactly the case with Claritin and Clarinex. They're almost identicle...take a look at the atomic structures of each active ingrediant.

Also, commercials say "ask your doctor about..." not "TELL your doctor about..." although many people DO tell their doctors, and they're idiots. The doctors are also idiots for caving in and prescribing something they don't need, especially antibiotics. People with the flu think antibiotics will make them better. They won't. But you get dumbass doctors that prescribe it anyway and then you end up reducing the effectiveness of the antibiotic for the general public over time.

Also, what's with this "grrr I'm a MAN I don't need aspirin!" please. If someone has a headache, there's no reason NOT to take a simple pain killer. This is such a piss poor anti-drug argument it's not even funny.

Also, ANY side effects that happened on ANY tests have to be listed. Just because liver failure or heart problems are listed, you are so quick to jump to the conclusion that they're lethal. Not only don't I believe you that you saw a herpes drug commercial having death as a side effect without you backing it up, so what? If someone has REALLY bad herpes and NOTHING else works, what's the big deal if THEY want to put their lives at a one in a million chance of death to help their herpes? Not only are the severe side effects usually very, very low in numbers, but there are many reasons or complications on those patients that could have caused it.

Some of you are acting like prescription drugs are some how more harmful than illicit drugs off the street. Can I ask what you have to back that up other than marijuana? Yeah, straight marijuana isn't that bad at all. Okay, what about cocain, heroine, LSD or the hundreds of other drugs that CAN and DO kill? And then you go on to say "OMGWTF THEY PRESCRIBE SPEED-LIKE DRUGS FOR ADD!" ... yeah, so? And it helps a lot of people. And then you say "Well MY brother was on it and it made him worse, so THAT means it's crap!" yes, because your brother is the only person in the world to ever use the drug.

If you pulled your head out of your *** for a moment, you might realize just how complex and different each person is from another person, and you might realize how some prescription drugs can make conditions worse for some and be a godsend to others. I for one have never, ever, at least in MANY years, seen a commercial where the narrarator talks really fast to try to hide the side effects. Usually they just come out and tell you "Don't take xx medicine if you have a history of this or this or that, nursing or pregnant" etc, just about everything that would cause those fatal side effects you seem so crazy about.

My whole rant in short: Shut the **** up because you don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about. If you hate prescription drugs so much, go back to smoking your bong and leave us out of your idiotic speaches.

I hope that wasn't directed at me. If it was, I know what I'm talking about since I am one of the people who took some of these drug's for a condition and had adverse side-effects that I was pointing out in comparison with a drug that's illegal yet no matter how simple the other drugs side effects may be, the illegal one's side effects aren't any worse.

I wasn't aware it was an argument. But it's a Massassian trademark to take things out of context to make yourself look cool.

Do you think I'm lying? I've SEEN it happen to my best friends, and they themselves have said what they did on the drug was completely idiotic, and have stopped smoking it as a result. I'm just saying I think there's at least a slight chance that one of the other 6 billion people on the planet has taken it farther than my friends did.

Speaking of drugs I'm tripping balls right now.

Just thought i'd make another post saying thats just kidding in case anyone actually took it serious and would be offended.

So..you've got 3 out of what... Billions?...

It wasn't pointed at you. It wasn't pointed at Dogsrool or anyone else. I was just pissed off at the time (not just because of this thread).

I agree with what you (Temperamental) have said. It just seems really silly what a lot of people are saying. Yeah, prescription drugs have their down sides and side effects, but most people don't realize they help a LOT more than the hurt (or if they do hurt, they aren't around very long). Medical companies may try to milk the market and change little atomic structures to make more money, but they don't make **** up. They don't make up acid reflux in order to sell you more prescriptions for ordinary heartburn. I mean, if you just did a little googling on the subject you're bashing (again, directed at no one) you'd find a lot of what you're pissing on is much more rational than you think.

I apologize for my outburst, that doesn't usually happen (hasn't in a long time for me)...but comon...stop jumping on the anti-drug bandwagon without at least doing some research first. I personally have done a LOT of research, because I researched the conditions I had (or thought I might have at the time) before going to my doctor so that I would know what's going on. Depression, for example, I've done so much research on that it's not even funny. It's helped me understand my condition more, how to help myself (in addition to medicine and counseling, which I both am actively doing), etc. I'm not saying go and learn everything about every drug and its condition it treats, I'm just saying at least look at a Wikipedia article to see if it's valid or not before bashing it.

Ok well...



Wrong. This is pure urban legend. You will NEVER buy a joint laced with LSD. LSD is very rare. No one is going to lace a joint with it. But that's besides the point, because you can't smoke LSD. It simply combusts under the heat and you will not get high at all (just like if you try to smoke regular cocaine as opposed to freebase cocaine(crack) So yeah, this one is a complete myth. That's not to say you can't buy weed laced with other things, such as crystal meth, but it is very rare.

A slight chance that it may have happened at least ones? So what then? How is that a problem at all?



1.) 60% of drug related deaths are caused by LEGAL drugs. 40% is illegal drugs

2.) LSD can't kill you. (unless you kill yourself or something, but physically it can't kill you)

3.) Ya speed helps ADD patients. Speed also helps you lose weight. Illegal drugs have many benefits. What I'm trying to say is that there is no difference between legal and illegal drugs. We simply have the perception that legal ones are OK and illegal ones are bad. It's ignorant.

Grow the hell up and hold your tongue before you fly off on another bull**** rant like this. You don't need to throw a temper tantrum everytime someone opposes your opinion. For god's sake...

Source? Circumstances?


Fair enough, but doesn't it have a lot of adverse affects on your health over time? Perhaps not, I don't remember, and it's not the point. I was just listing some of the more common (at least the ones you hear of) illegal drugs off the top of my head.


Isn't it also ignorant to say that all legal drugs are the same as all illegal drugs? Legal drugs are usually designed by medical professionals to treat specific problems. Illegal drugs aren't. Yeah, maybe a lot of illegal drugs AREN'T that bad, but a lot of them are. Cocaine, heroine, the big ones like that. Designer drugs are particularly dangerous. Perhaps not all that common for your average weekend weed smoker (or whatever you want to call a casual drug user) but they're out there, and a lot of people die from them (no, not as many as alcohol, but that's a different debate). How can you say the very rare side effects of some prescription drugs, which almost ALL of the time help more than they hurt are no different than illegal drugs which kill and mess people up all the time?


"I'm sorry, your honor. That was an abnormal lapse from my normally calm demenor...WHY YOU LITTLE!" Heh, as I said earlier, I'm sorry about that. I was rather upset at the time and I vented here, knowing full well the kind or response I would get.

You said illegal drugs are no different from legal drugs. You talk of ignorance but have done probably no research on the effects of common prescription drugs. The liklihood of their side effects and under what conditions they happened, for example. If a doctor prescribes something to a patient but tells them they must stop their old or other meds first otherwise they will be complications, and they don't because they think it's still safe despite what a professional tells them, and then their liver fails...well, that's not a problem with the drug now is it. Honestly, if legal drugs caused the same problems illegal drugs do, they wouldn't be on the market. I'm on 150 mg Zoloft, 10 mg Zyrtec and I don't know how many mgs of Doyrx, an anti-acne tetracyclene. Never once I have EVER had any side effects. If I started popping some common illegal drugs every morning, I imagine I'd be pretty f***ed up.

Do doctors prescribe drugs under the pressure of patients when they shouldn't? Yes, I won't argue there, but that's not a problem with the drugs. Do some drugs have serious side effects? Yes, but the patients take them knowing that their condition is bad enough to be worth the risk. But to say that prescription drugs are "the same" as illegal drugs strikes me as downright ignorant. How exactly are they "the same"? They hardly have the same effects. Speed may be the same as Ritalin, but I'm guessing Ritalin is prescribed in MUCH smaller, regulated doses, doesn't have the possibility of being laced with anything (perhaps lacing is largely urban lengend, but you really DON'T know EXACTLY what you're getting on the street), and I'll bet a very little bit of speed in regulated amounts has a totally different effect on your body than one huge dosage at once. So please, tell me how they are "the same".

I avoid as many OTC and Prescription drugs as I can exactly because I don't know what's in them. I'd rather not ingest things that I have no idea what they do, or how they work. That is not to say that I've never taken aspirin, cough syrup, Pepto-Bismol etc. It's just that if I believe I can get by fine without them, I do.

Also, I realize I may get flamed for this, but I honestly do not believe that psychological conditions such as chronic depression can be treated with drugs. In fact, I have issues with the whole diagnosing process. True, I haven't really researched it, and therefor may not have much room to speak, but my intuition tells me it's a bunch of bull. I wonder how people got by years ago without these medications.

The point is, we have become so dependent on diagnoses and prescriptions that the whole situation is bordering on ridiculous. Now, I don't have statistics for suicides, but I'm willing to bet that the rate of suicides has increased over time. I still maintain that there are very few psychological "conditions" worth taking medication for, and even fewer worth killing yourself over. Very many problems can be overcome, or at least set aside with distractions such as hard work and the support of friends.

Jesus Christ, it's like I'm sitting in a DARE class. Coplogic.

Most recreational drug users are not complete fiends who disregard their health. Very few people buy their drugs off the street, except for hardcore junkies. Unless a person has a psychotic break, they're probably not going to be destructive while on a psychedelic, especially with a trip-sitter. Maybe on a delerium-inducing substance such as Dramamine, but it's doubtful that a guy with a headful of acid is going to be out of reality enough to take a drive. And if was on enough to make him that way, he'd probably be too intoxicated to do it.

Research chemicals can be dangerous, true. However, most people get their drugs from people they know, and if someone takes a bad batch 2-CT-7 and fishes out, other people will probably avoid it. You can't even get most psychedelics, much less research chemicals, off the street. With the exception of maybe MDMA, or MDA sold as MDMA, you'll probably not find a guy on the street who will be able to hook someone up with shrooms, and especially not LSD. Something like 95% of the world's LSD production was halted in 2000 when the DEA arrested two scientists who made most of the stuff. Too bad, really.

I think it might just be possible that if it happened to my friends, who aren't particulary stupid, it might happen to other people.



I never said it was a problem. Temperamental said that it had never happenened. Ever. And I was merely corretcting what he said, as it was false.

Drugs are bad. :em321:

I, too apologize to Emon, I understand what you meant now.

Just wanted to add something to your argument here, Emon. Ritalin is indeed the same compound as Speed. However, because of whatever exactly is wrong with a person with ADD or ADHD, the speed works in the opposite manner. To a person with ADD or ADHD, Ritalin calms them down. To a normal person, it makes them manic. jsut wanted to let people know that doctors are not, rom a certain point of view, perscribing them speed.

I agree. Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Nothing I havn't solved without good ol' meditation. Of corse this dosn't work as a painkiller if your arm is sawed off or something, but it helps with minor stuff, such as headaches and allergies..

Also, not eating meat has significantly shown that I am not sick anymore. Haha.

No, they are still prescribing them speed. It just affects them differently.

And yes Emon your right, I shouldnt have said legal and illegal are the same because they aren't. But the main reason is because of the illegal/legal difference. If illegal drugs were commercialized, etc. thjen many of the health risks would be gone. For instance, almost all heroin deaths are caused by the user not knowing the concentration/purity, or from dirty needles and blood clots from impurities etc. If heroin were made in a lab and injected in a hospital etc. then it would be fairly safe (although you would still get addicted)...Morphine anyone?

Ahem. I said from a certain point of view.

Edit: Duke's post just reminded me of something: wasn't Crystal Meth made to help people get off Heroin? or was it soemthing else? i remeber hearing that one currently illegal drug was created in oreder to help people get off anoutehr illegal drug.

Your thinking of methadone.

um, doesn't methadone = crystal meth? or is that anoutehr substance with 'meth' in it somewhere? sorry, i only have the sketchy knowlage of drugs from my pschology class last year.

I'm not sure why the concept of getting behind the wheel of anything while under the influence of a substance that can slow down reaction time (marijuana, alcohol, etc.) as being "bad" isn't universally accepted. Hell, I avoid driving while on anti-hystamines.

Crystal meth is methamphetamine. Methadone is a different chemical. It's synthetic opiate, whereas crystal meth is an amphatamine. Either way, it's not really a street drug. It's main use is for treating heroine, you won't really find methadone selling on the streets I don't think. Probably because its synthetic and hard to make without a proper lab.