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So long, freedom. It was nice knowing you.
2005-06-25, 12:16 PM #81
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Originally posted by Mort-Hog
You don't need a 'small government', that won't create a country full of 'free individuals'. It will give the corporations only more power to exploit workers and government for its profit.
You need a government that is willing and able to protect the rights of workers and unions over the desires of corporation, a government willing and able to oppose their power.


I jsut want to say one thing to this. but first! I wanted to let it known that was far as the goverment ovverrun by corperate (spelling bad tehre, sorry) will, i agree entirely. it is one thing to be equal between workers and corperations, quite anoutehr to support bull**** like the eminant domain extention which is basically giving private property owners the shaft.

That said, i just wanted to say that we need a goverment not that approves workers over corps, that is verging on communism. what we need is a goverment that supports the rights of all people equally. this is obviously not what is occuring at the moment. but what we need is not a swing almost to communism, but to bring it back to capitalism. right now i do not believe this is capitalism, because capitalism, in my book, means that people have power based on the money they rightfully earned. In otehr words, corperations should have power, but only with money they rightfully earned (e.g. the property they would get out of the eminany domain crap isn't earned, its stolen), and they exert their power by a use of money, IE if they were to buy, rightfully, with full consent of the owners, the land for a strip mall. Right now, corperations are exerting thier power through friends and favors, pulling strings instead of actually working for what they want. I'm not sure what to call this, but this goverment is supporting looters, supporting those people who feel they are allowed to take otehr people's hard-earned property because they want it.

Sorry, i rambled there. maybe i'll clear it up later.

Anyway, also, JG: what? i din't quite understand that.
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2005-06-25, 6:17 PM #82
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Originally posted by Noble Outlaw
I have only one thing to add to this discussion.

Who is John Galt?

(P.S. if you ahven't read Atlas Shrugged, don't worry about it)


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D E A T H
2005-06-25, 8:31 PM #83
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Originally posted by Emon
I forget, which communist writer said that capitalism would eventually destroy itself? Marx was it? I'll give it 50 years at most...


but diodnt marx also give up on socialism and live happly as a member of a capitalist nation?

oh, thats right, they dont tell you that in schools because then it makes the whole the commies are our enemy stance pointless.

this stances is still taken in certain areas of the U.S.
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2005-06-25, 10:19 PM #84
Start arming yourselves for the revolution... time for USA 2.0...

IGNORE THE FLAG BURNING STUFF, who gives a CRAP. The serious part here is #2, and it SEEMS that *alot* of you are focusing on a totally irrelevant (though frustrating and unfair) part of the situation (the fair compensation $$ part).

THE GOVERNMENT CAN NOW TAKE YOUR PROPERTY FOR NO REASON. "Public Use" can now be defined as greater good. They don't even have to prove it will be a greater good. If something has a chance of bringing in more revenue for the government in taxes (I guess this is what greater good means now, more money for the blood sucking government!!), that's "public good".

This is the end of private property. The implications are huge.

Some corporation buys the city government, tells them they want to build their new office on some prime real estate. BULLDOZE SOME HOUSES AND PAY HALF PRICE TO THE OWNERS!! Doesn't matter if it's not for the public to use, because it'll bring in more tax revenue.

FOR THOSE OF YOU SAYING THIS WILL NOT AFFECT US: this ruling was about something in connecticut where they wanted to bulldoze some $500,000 homes;

"Justice Stevens noted that the homes in question could not be considered a slum area, and that indeed some of the people had lived there for decades.

Rather, he said, the properties 'were condemned only because they happen to be located in the development area'."

There is hardly any seperation from us and communists now. All that's left is the private economy, which gets kicked in the balls by liberals every day.

SCOTUS is totally off track now, doing completely bat**** insane stuff. Any idiot can see this was not the intent of the 5th amendment. The Supreme Court just gets off on dictating their views into reality. I pray to god Bush elects some decent people in there (The dissenters were O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas; all CONSERVATIVE judges focusing on what the founders intended instead of "reinterpreting the constitution").
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2005-06-25, 10:23 PM #85
Can I still hate both sides, though?

I mean.. in America 2.0?
2005-06-25, 10:26 PM #86
I don't think people realize just how important private property is.

Countries that support it do well, countries that deny it end up in the craphole. History has shown it...
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2005-06-25, 11:58 PM #87
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Originally posted by alpha1
but diodnt marx also give up on socialism and live happly as a member of a capitalist nation?

oh, thats right, they dont tell you that in schools because then it makes the whole the commies are our enemy stance pointless.

this stances is still taken in certain areas of the U.S.


No it's not. You don't even live in the US.

I've never heard anyone say "the commies are our enemy" not in jest (though communist massassi will surely make another stand against teh capitalist peegdogs).

Communism is just a flawed economic system. Capitalism's the best we have right now.
D E A T H
2005-06-26, 12:52 AM #88
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Originally posted by oSiRiS
FOR THOSE OF YOU SAYING THIS WILL NOT AFFECT US: this ruling was about something in connecticut where they wanted to bulldoze some $500,000 homes;


It won't affect me. My state explicitly forbids the use of eminent domain for economic development.

Really, this won't change much of anything. Crappy states have allowed their cities to do this kind of thing for decades. For example, in 1981 Detroit evicted 4000 people so General Motors could build a factory. The Michigan Supreme Court upheld the city's action, and plenty of other courts used that as precedent for similar rulings.

At least this ruling brings the issue into the public eye, so maybe people will wise up and insist on state-level eminent domain restrictions.
2005-06-26, 1:07 AM #89
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Originally posted by oSiRiS
SCOTUS is totally off track now

Eh, I'm not so sure. The human scrotum can stretch up to eight inches before tearing, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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