Ubuu, you don't know anything about the GTP. You've made that obvious. Look it up on Google. It's not a normal Grand Prix.

and that GTP with its stock 'supercharged' V6 is just full of soul...

Good luck impressing anyone with it.


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KBB: 2000 Grand Prix Coupe GTP (2 door) w/ 47,000 mi. = 8,500

Don't have enough time for the eBay one. And yeah that one listed is a sweet deal. He will bring it to me and let a mechanic inspect it to be sure it's ok. Gotta admit though, the ram air hood is nice.



Already done the pulley swap for it And I could care less what others think, positive or negative.



GTP doesn't come in stick, so I am a girly man.



After 1991 they stopped offering them in manual.



By performance you mean gas right? Because a Civic would not hold a candle to this car.



What he said.



Good for you. But you know what?

I. DO. NOT. CARE. [/i][/u]

Unless this car is a POS that is about to fall apart, I don't care. So what if it's $2K over the "MSRP"? I guarantee, I WOULD PUT $ DOWN ON IT, that if I took this thing to get appraised, the value would go over $8500. Why? Because that is a rare car. I know a guy who had his 1996 Grand Prix SE, the 3.1 enigne NOT SUPERCHARGED, appraised for over $10,000.

You have no clue what that car is capable of. I'm not saying it's a Cobra (God's gift to muscle cars, truly) but I'll be damned if I'll let someone say it's crap. And I'm not even a Pontiac guy.

edit: And what's with the quotes around supercharged? You do realize that it IS supercharged, right? Do you know what that means? (Serious queston there)

Good man.

What is the car capable of then?? Any 1/4 mile times?? Every review (i googled it and read up on the GTP) I read said because the car is heavier then hell does a nice burn out but dosn't get off the line due to its front wheel drive nature. If your trying to sell to me that this car is about performance please reply and prove me wrong.

Understandably your car is slightly more rare (about as rare as a PT Cruiser Limited Edition) but talking about a Grand Prix SE that is 10 years old going for over 10,000 is pretty absurd.

(edit) I just did a pricing report on a fully loaded '96 SE with 1000 miles. It is worth 4000. Someone got ripped off.

The supercharger GM uses does crank out an extra 40 horse at the crank which is decent it is still a 240 hp V6. It's a stock supercharger. Keyword being stock, meaning it was engineered to last more then offer any real performance. I would be more impressed if GM could engineer a N/A engine that could push that kind of power.

Uhhh... they have been for a while now. The 3.6 DOHC V6 used in the Cadillac CTS makes 255 HP.

Official stock stats: Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, 1997 - 0-60: 6.6 1/4 mi: 15.00.

First off, this is not an SE. What is so hard to understand about the fact that he said GTP? I'm talking about everybody here, this is just sad. It's also not 10 years old, he said it's a 2000.

I'm not talking about it's stock performance, which is good for a car as heavy as it is. The most impressive part is it's potential with mods. And although it doesn't mean much, it just sounds bad *** when you stomp on it, especially after a pulley swap. Because the car is already set up with a forced induction system, you can swap out the stock supercharger for one that gives much better performance. Also, I've heard of guys switching the supercharger system out for a turbo setup. Now this is going to increase the performance potential by a huge amount. The possibilities are just immense. If I have time tonight I'll try to look up some of the things that have been done. I'll see if I can find the fastest 1/4 mile time for a GTP as well.

crimson. i think i grasped the concept. your turn.

Like I said, I wasn't just talking about you. Though I was mistaken there.

Alright, 3 notes here:

1.) FEAR.

2.) The guy modified his car. With more modifications, the higher the value went up.

3.) There is an aftermarket supercharger and intercooler, combine them together and it pushes over 350 horse power alone. Toss in the pulleys, porting, etc and it's one bad mofo engine. And finally, THE WS6 TRANS AM PUSHED OUT 325 HORSE POWER. THE NEW GTO?! 400 HP. GM KNOWS HOW TO BUILD AN ENGINE THAT PUSHES POWER. Tool.

Crimson, click the link above, it tells you the fastest quarter mile time for the GTP. Or at least the fasted reported.

don't call me a tool... please... especially when you trying to justify driving a grand prix of all cars...

V6 engine, 240hp 280ft/lb torque, Heavy, Front wheel Drive.

That is a muscle car. You win.

Alright, fine how about this:

In the end, your opinion means nothing to me on determining wheather or not I buy this car. I am buying this car because I LIKE GRAND PRIX. Not Honda Civic, not Honda Accord, not Honda Prelude. GRAND. PRIX. My current car is a GRAND PRIX. If I did not get a GRAND PRIX as my next car, I'd of bought another W BODY car such as the MONTE CARLO, IMPALA, REGAL, etc.

Thrawn, those amazing times are for heavily modified cars. I know you know that and I guess he did ask what the car is capable of. Googling performance data for the car (stock) did prove frustrating so I delved into the Pontiac Library (seriously, I've been into Pontiacs for at least twenty years now) and I couldn't find a straight up review but I did find a good track test session that shows what some [mostly] stock GTPs are capable of. I thought you'd like to see them as well so I scanned them and also a low buck tip for handling. Enjoy!

He is getting ripped. He knows it. Have fun spending the amount you paid on it, to fix it in about 2 years.

Pontic and all GM cars suck. If you have the money to fix them, so be it, thats great. But you will regret this. Haha.

Amen.

Both of you are ignorant. End of story. Show something to back up your close-minded opinion.

GM makes the most widely sold and winningest race engine of all time. They know how to build cars and engines.

THRAWN, I commend you for your restraint and maturity here.

Geez, Thrawn. Maybe they're right. You know, I'm starting to see the light now. Pontiacs do suck. Well, all of GM but especially Pontiac. God, how could I have ever been so blind? Now to dump this P.O.S. and move on to something cool like a Prius!

for the record I would never point you in a direction of a Honda...

I don't think I am close minded at all, I give all cars a chance, and the ship for the Grand Prix sold about 15 years ago when they become slow V6 cars... what?

If GM is so good at making cars then do tell me please why they and the rest of American Car companies sales lag so far behind Europe's hold on the American market?

The truth is that Foreign car makers mentality on selling cars is exactly that selling... America has turned more into a leasing industry where a Car should only be expected to run 2 years and then turned back in to be sold with all its lemons/flaws blatantly showing. For the most part they offer slow V6 offerings that are in the 200hp range that just don't do it for most people. Where as europe, even Saab (under GM) does not conform to any of those things. They offer a car that actually lasts without bragging on the warranty because they just don't break down. They engineer and constantly improve on a yearly basis and don't share the same ****ty design along 4 of their different car products (malibu/impala anyone...). As much as I hate to say it, besides some shining examples such as the new Corvette and Mustang, the American car market is BORING offering the crappiest experience out of any car.

I'll state that this is 'my opinion' to keep the insults directed towards me.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050629/bs_nm/autos_quality_dc

Yes, quality is important. But if people bought cars solely on quality, Jaguar, Lamborghini, and Ferrari would have all died many years ago from lack of sales. These companys produced such legends as the XK-SS, Countach, and 512 BB (respectively). They are known as some of the worlds premiere cars. All were horribly (and I mean horribly ) unreliable. I am not discounting reliabilty, it's just that *most* people do not buy their cars solely on this factor. It all comes down to whether you truly want the car.

The appeal of a car is in the eye of the beholder. For example, I think that the Scion xB is the most hideous thing to hit the road in a long time. While I shake my head in disgust, others swoon over it at the dealership and write checks. THRAWN loves this GTP. Therefore, he should buy it. Period.

If you bought something because of SAJN, your life needs to be revoked.

A car that can hit 60 mph in under 7 seconds can't really be considered too slow now can it?



I think two reasons. First, and least importantly, GM makes some of the worst styling decisions. I'm not saying all their cars are ugly but compared to their domestic competition many of them come across as boring. Second, and more importantly, GM products are overpriced. Someone has to pay for its virtually bankrupt retirement and healthcare programs and that someone is the consumer.

You two should simply have a little more respect. If anything you could just say, "Whatever floats your boat but I think its ugly." Instead you want to bring it to a more personal level. He's a fan of the brand. That is certainly something I can understand. And I'm the guy who told him to calm down on the last Grand Prix he was fawning over!

European car makers have a hold on the American car market? What European car makers would these be? BMW, Volkswagen, Porsche and Volvo are the only true European cars now (ignoring ferrari because they're so rare) and they have a small slice of the American pie (pardon the pun).

For that kind of money, to me... yes but to others..?





point taken

Since 2000, the Big Three automakers have lost eight points of market share just to their Japanese competition. Detroit now holds 57 percent of the American car market, while foreign automakers have 43 percent.

Source: http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/12064541.htm

I wonder what kind of sales American Cars see in most foreign countries (besides Ford Europe, which in my mind is completely different company the Ford America since they have an entirely different line of engineers and car lines.)

I know its sad but its true... As a person from Detroit, I truely wish our cars were better, but instead we churn out rehashed garbage that dosn't sell. The only thing we still do right is Pick Up Trucks.

Thanks. And "for that kind of money"? Maybe I'm abit out of touch since I am long out of my teens and $10.5K doesn't shock me but is that really a lot of money for a pristine mid-size, performance oriented, car? I don't think so. Especially when it's probably at least $20K under what it was brand new just five years ago.

And I sincerely mean, thanks for the concession.

My brother works at Car Max. He knows what goes in and what goes out. He told me that if I don't buy a Honda Civic, buy somethign with the 3.8L engine in it. They are the greatest engines to be designed by American engineering. I know people with Grand Prix 3.8 engines with over 120K miles and the worst thing they had to do was change a piston, which BTW took only a few hours.

Ubuu, mentioning ME of all people in a thread? Really, you shouldn't have.

ummm 120,000 is not a lot of miles... my car has 160,000 miles and the engine hasn't had anything that needed replacing besides the oil... A piston needing to be replaced is a pretty ridiculous statement in terms of 'normal wear' as it pretty costly for a car with only 120,000...

You'll LOVE this... clicky clicky

Btw, that was the first search result of this

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=3.8+liter+GM+v6

cheers. The 3.8 has its own section on the frames for its lemony goodness.

We weren't talking about Japanese automakers at all. I think we all would agree that Japan is putting out some of the best cars to be had right now as far as quality. Compare the market share of actual European automakers to that of US automakers and then we can discuss that. As for me, I'm not looking up anything. Work sucks.

commendable

Depends on the engine. 120,000 miles is quite abit for an engine with a supercharger designed for performance.



That first link seems kind of dumb. Some people apparantly have had problems with head gasket failure. Certainly should have been under warranty assuming it occurred in the warranty timeframe. Still, that isn't a complicated fix and I've never heard of the issue before so it's doubtfully very widespread.



I don't understand "own section on the frames". Neither of your links had frames. On the same google page you link to I see "GM's proven and highly competent 3.8-liter V6".

I want one of these;



They're sex.

Yes, nice car.

Can't believe I disappear for a day and you guys still argue.

We're not arguing. Just because we don't like your stupid stinky poopoo-mobile. Go ahead and buy it. Just don't park it were someone might step in it. Poopoo-mobile. :p

Well hey, if you think it that way you can always give me your WS6. :em321:

Thanks, I get that a lot.