where's a full artical?

Stuff like that pisses me off.

Uhh... send ME to school free. I'm a citizen.

damnit, when are we just gonna BUY mexico?

I hope Hillary dies in a fire.

Hillary is so full of crap I can hardly believe it. Too bad she's the likely 2008 democratic presidential nominee, and she'll probably win. :\

Forgive me, but where does it say free college?

nah. If the Dems run Hillary, they are practically handing the 2008 election to the GOP. Hillary is too damn liberal for a lot of people.


we should be deporting illegals, not sending them to college.

THE REAL STORY:
Hispanics applaud Hillary Clinton speech

BY EUNICE MOSCOSO

Cox News Service

PHILADELPHIA — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., pledged Monday to help reduce high school dropout rates among Hispanics, make it easier for illegal immigrant children to go to college and improve health care for the nation's fastest growing minority group.

In a speech to an influential Hispanic group, Clinton, who some expect to run for president in 2008, said the government is not doing enough to help Hispanics reach their goals, and she called for a return to the economic policies of her husband Bill Clinton's presidency.

The audience at the National Council of La Raza's annual convention embraced the senator with loud applause and several standing ovations. The council is a civil rights organization with 300 affiliated groups nationwide.

"Since our country's founding, Hispanic-Americans — from missionaries to admirals to Nobel laureates and astronauts — have not only been seeking the American dream for themselves, but helping to preserve it and expand it for others," Clinton said.

Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings also addressed the convention Monday, touting the No Child Left Behind Act, a major Bush administration initiative to boost the performance of poor and minority children and punish schools that don't show positive results.

Spellings said that a national assessment of test scores released last week was "very encouraging" and proved that the program is working.

Clinton also touched on several education issues, including her support of legislation known as the DREAM Act, which would allow illegal immigrant children who finish high school in the United States to avoid deportation, earn a path to citizenship and possibly receive in-state college tuition rates. The National Council of La Raza held a rally in support of the measure Sunday.

"We want to make it possible for the 65,000 undocumented young people who graduate from our high schools each year to receive in-state tuition rates and pursue their own dreams," Clinton said. "I hope, with your help, we will make that DREAM Act a reality this year."

Spellings and Clinton both said more needs to be done to address the high school dropout rate among Hispanics, which is four times higher than that of white students.

The National Council of La Raza's four-day conference, which ends today, was expected to attract an estimated 23,000 people.

In addition to Clinton, the event featured other lawmakers, including Rep. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., chairman of the House Democratic Caucus.

The DREAM Act simply removes the federal prohibition on allowing states to determine who is eligible for in-state tuition. It isn't about free tuition, or forcing the states to subsidize illegals; it simply gives states the power to decide who receives in-state tuition.

The other major provision of the act allows illegal alien students who meet certain criteria to apply for conditional legal residency. Provided that they obtain higher education or serve in the military, they can then eventually apply to become permanent legal residents.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I hope Hillary dies in a fire.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Let's just INCREASE California's woes why don't we. Sometimes I wish we could separate ourselves from the rest of the nation. They are called illegal for a reason because they are not in our country legally! We are essentially giving money away to criminals.

Hillary can win. She'll definitely win the Left er..West coast (we need that strikethrough code again), all of New England, IL, MI, WI, MN, maybe FL. With all that, I don't think the South and Plains states will be enough to counter those big electoral states.

Edit: Ok, perhaps this doesn't give away money per se. I still think this is the utmost WRONG idea. I take back my earlier assessment of CA. She could lose it. Illegal immigration is a VERY strong issue here in California.

The problem is, the democrats have become too liberal for their own good. Ever since FDR, they were traditionally the party of the average working man and the "little guy", but that had changed a lot in recent years. They have drifted farther to the left, therefore alienating a lot of their former demographic. I believe that the Dems are screwed unless they get more organized, unified, and back to their roots, and I don't see that happening so far.

Running a woman as president is probably not going to go over well, b/c it's too extreme for a lot of people. We haven't even had a black or latino president yet. I have this hunch that not a lot of people are going to take Hillary seriously if she runs. It's just too soon.

I also think that we are due for a political realignment favouring the conservative idealogy.

Hey, that's my local newspaper...

Democrats "too liberal"? Compared to whom? Attila the Hun?

*boggles*

Yes, let's just make illegal immigrants who shouldn't be getting any aid from America whatsoever more dependent on our government to succeed in life

illigals should get free death row

That's ridiculous. They're ILLEGAL. And we're making it EASIER for them to get the benefits of our society, despite them being here ILLEGALLY? I realize most of these illegals are just poor people who need to work here to survive, but they're still illegal, and should first come here legally before they get any special priviledges.

All of the illegals I know don't feel the need to go to college.

Yeah. They feel the need to just suck off the government.

It's not that liberals are too extreme, it's that recently our representatives are rather...out there. I mean, honestly, if we have someone as extreme as Hillary run, we're giving up our win (though I guess they figure they need some extreme action after Bush' rule, I would be sorely saddened to see Hillary make office.)

ILLLEGAL students! Does this mean nothing to everyone?! If there's a problem, FIX it by legalizing or deporting, not perpetuating the cycle!

Unfortunately, many American citizens like to suck off the government too.

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This is just so people who don't have citizenship can go to our colleges, I don't see any problem.










PS, I don't see why people down on mexicans, even illegal ones. Sure they do take jobs from people.. BUT HERES THE THING, they work ALOT harder than most people and FOR LESS.

Wow...

Not by choice. they are being exploited by business owners who see that they can hire a bunch of border jumpers and save a lot of money since these people basically have no rights. They can be paid badly and overworked and nobody can do anything about it. This takes away jobs from the rest of us that have legally lived here and grown up all our lives. It's wrong.

It's a program that grants the chance of citizenship to people who put forth the effort to graduate from secondary education - something that not even U.S. citizens necessarily do. If they're willing to go for that education and apply for citizenship, I see no reason to oppose it.

That's because they have LESS to lose.

I like Maddox's plan for illegal workers.

One simple complaint is that they don't pay taxes. I sympathize with this.

How bout we hire illegals to build a wall around the US/Mexico border (ala Great Wall of China) and then after they're paid off, ship'em back?

We would solve SO many problems at once and save money doing it!

nuke mexico

\m/

Are they going to be paying to go to school? There are such things as student visas, but of course, you have to pay to go to college if you go that route.



There is somewhat of a double standard, because a lot of them do the work many other people would never do. However, they are also a drain on the system by using free services funded by taxpayers and not paying taxes themselves to help support the system they ae drawing from.

A problem would be if a college accepted an illegal over a citizen. Colleges admit a limited number of students, and having illegals get the same chances of entrance completely screws natural born citizens. It isn't fair.

Will you please run for office somewhere in Southern California?

[QUOTE=Bounty Hunter 4 hire]I like Maddox's plan for illegal workers.[/QUOTE]


I was going to post that.

Jerk.

The problem with madox's plan is that illegals immigrants aren't trapped in wells or any sort of predicament like that. They're breaking the Country's law. Unless they qualify and enter legally, well TOUGH ****. They need to become citizens first, and there they go. If they don't want to abide by the other country's rules, then too bad, they can go to the next country, as simple as that.

Was Maddox's post changed? I seem to recall his argument being thus:

If you force employers to pay illegal immigrants the same amount as legal citizens, there'll be no reason to employ the illegals.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to go through citizenship here without having lived here for a decent amount of time.

You don't just fill out some papers and HUZZAH, get US citizenship.


IF they made it easier to attain citizenship, PEOPLE WOULDN'T NEED TO HOP THE BORDER.







And YES, foreign students may get accepted over naturalized citizens, the same way a black girl will get accepted over a white dude, regardless of achievement.

Thats called affirmative action folks, deal with it. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

What a good idea!