It isn't impossible, and those that want in will do what it takes to get in. And I'm sure there can't be zillions of everybody just going in and out becuase of a lot of reasons. It's also their rules, not anyone else's, so it doesn't matter how hard it is or not.

The way things are going, I should become a Mexican and illegally immigrate to the US.

Or you... could... you know, stay out.

I think this is a great thing (going back on topic), and ive known people who are in situations where this was a problem to them which wasnt their fault.

Say A family comes to the US then gets placed into a situation they cant control and are stuck here but unable to get citizenship.

The kids right now can only attend highschool but cannot get a job and have no chance at college whatsoever but have been here for long enough to grow up here.

They would have to either pay an incredibly high rate to go to college or wouldnt be allowed at all to go due to not having a SSN.

This legislation is great in my opinion and I dont see why you all oppose it so much.

Because those people that go to college will not pay taxes, will not give to the community in any way and only draw off it. Illegals can get jobs, and decent paying ones at that if they try. They could start the citizenship process and I'm pretty sure that lets you get a job as if you were legal AS LONG AS you go through with the program.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Because those people that go to college will not pay taxes, will not give to the community in any way and only draw off it. Illegals can get jobs, and decent paying ones at that if they try. They could start the citizenship process and I'm pretty sure that lets you get a job as if you were legal AS LONG AS you go through with the program.[/QUOTE]


No.

If you start the program to become a US citizen, and they find even ONE THING that is slightly shady, you get deported. No questions asked.

I don't find that a problem. US Citizenbship shouldn't be passed out to anyone who wants it.

It also shouldn't be so god damn hard to get that people are forced to hop borders.

There are other ways into the US besides citizenship.

You can also marry a citizen, I do believe if you're willing to join the army they make you a citizen posthaste, and not to mention IT'S A COUNTRY NOT A SOUP KITCHEN. If you don't like the process, well, there's over 200 other countries to consider. Pick one.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]If you don't like the process, well, there's over 200 other countries to consider. Pick one.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that statement works for this issue.

I'll be truthful and tell you I know that not all of them are accessible, but the point still stands--America is not the only country in the world, and nobody has a right to be hopping our borders without going through the processes. Nobody.

America isn't the only country. But it's the best one in the immediate proximity of Mexico. :p

[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]America isn't the only country. But it's the best one in the immediate proximity of Mexico. :p[/QUOTE]

Haha, true, but that doesn't mean we have to make it easy for Mexicans to illegally immigrate into our country.

That doesn't mean we have to make it hard for them to legally immigrate to our country either.

Why not? Why should we not make it hard to legally immigrate to our country? I think the system's fine the way it is.

Because of principle?

What the hell is the point of rubbing the benefits of being in an American in a poor countries face?

It isn't Pablo's fault his country is poor, and corrupt.


WHAT THE HELL EVER HAPPENED TO SPREADING GOOD TO YOUR FELLOW MAN?

Seriously.

We're spreading the good, as long as they're worthy to be a part of our nation. No it's not Pablo's fault, and hopefully he can get out, but I'd rather he try to get into our country legally rather than illegally.

HE WANTS to be a part of our nation, but seriously.

You don't just fill out some papers and HUZZAH be American, it's WAY more in-depth, and complex than that.


And suffice to say, a poor Mexican that knows maybe three words in English isn't going to be able to complete the process. AND THAT IS BS.



I liked the "Willing to work, Welcome to America," better than the "Stay the hell out you poor bastards, we're like Jesus and you know it!" America.

They're not wholly unjust qualifications. You have to know the language, know some history, and other such things. Just things that we as Americans take for granted. It takes a long time, true, but it's really a long time that's needed.

And how, exactly, are we doing that? The United States, as a country, should be able to decide who can and can't enter the country, anyway it chooses. That's the thing about being an independant country. It gets to make those kinds of decisions.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]They're not wholly unjust qualifications. You have to know the language, know some history, and other such things. Just things that we as Americans take for granted. It takes a long time, true, but it's really a long time that's needed.[/QUOTE]


There are PLENTY of Naturalized US citizens who can't speak a lick of English.


Sure it's the prefered language, but it should be no more required to live here than being Christian.

Not true, because you have to have some understading of English to be naturalized. Perhaps by marriage to a US citizen, but not naturalized.

Actually, I disagree. Languages are not religion--they are a way of communication. Communicating is crucial.

And that may be that they can't speak english, all I can say is they had a lax teacher.

No, they went to a Spanish school, and weren't required to learn English.

What are you talkng about? You have to take a class to become a naturalized citizen and it's taught in English.

There are no Spanish naturalization schools. They are all (eventually) taught in English, though you may start out in one that speaks Spanish until you learn English.

you're right this country was a country that always believed in isolationism!

there were no native americans here, always just white people

there wernt many german, irish, italian, etc. etc. imigrants which many of us can be traced back to or anything


oh wait

throughout the entire history of america imigration has been an essiential part of its history!

and take my example as posted earlier, that wasnt a situation of "border hoping" at all:

this helps people who legitimatly come here, you are all thinking quite close minded, its sad

and on the note of language:

There is no official language in america.

therefore an english requirment is not necessary everywhere in america, and of course in most parts of american society it is required to be a member of the certain society/community in question but back to my first point:

there is no official language of america

Although it's not offical, English is the accepted standard language of America... there are other languages but English is primarly the standard simply because the majority speak it fluently.

Your posts make baby Jesus cry. At least Rob's are properly worded and in decent syntax.

Our nation grew its base off of massive amoutns of Chinese, Irish, Russian, German etc. immigrants. It's not the effing late 1800s any more. We don't NEED people from every which way coming to do our crappy factory jobs for us to build up our economy. We don't need them to explore uncharted US territory to the west. What we need is a stable population expansion and a way to ensure that every new immigrant is at least worthy to be in our country.

English is not the official language, true, but it is the standard and it is indeed what's spoken most. This has no bearing whatsoever, though, on what I posted, since you still need to learn it to be naturalized, and it's what the naturalization classes are taught in. You lose, good day sir.

Also: I'm close minded because I have a different opinion? Go listen to anti-flag and ***** about Bush some more and how he's destroying the earth. Seriously, that's got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen on these forums (and trust me, that's no small claim).

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Our nation grew its base off of massive amoutns of Chinese, Irish, Russian, German etc. immigrants. It's not the effing late 1800s any more. We don't NEED people from every which way coming to do our crappy factory jobs for us to build up our economy. We don't need them to explore uncharted US territory to the west. What we need is a stable population expansion and a way to ensure that every new immigrant is at least worthy to be in our country.[/QUOTE]

Sad that some people don't realize that.

On a tangent, Illegal Immigrants have been nothing short of a disaster for healthcare, at least in California. The huge influx of non-paying patients (who go to the hospital at every drop of the hat, might I add), has caused a definite impact. Not only do hospitals suffer and sometimes close due to these funding issues, who do you think the bill gets passed on to? That's right, normal legal citizens.

Sorry, illegals are like leeches. I have no idea why so many think we can suck up an infinite amount of trash; this landfill has a limit for god sakes. They should be prohibited from using any public service, and kicked out as soon as possible. We have our OWN poor. We have our OWN problems. It's not like everyone in America is sipping on champagne and with two BMWs in the garage. Let's fix our problems, then help who we can. Doing otherwise is just stupid, if you don't mind me saying.

[QUOTE=Lord Kuat]Sad that some people don't realize that.

On a tangent, Illegal Immigrants have been nothing short of a disaster for healthcare, at least in California. The huge influx of non-paying patients (who go to the hospital at every drop of the hat, might I add), has caused a definite impact. Not only do hospitals suffer and sometimes close due to these funding issues, who do you think the bill gets passed on to? That's right, normal legal citizens.

Sorry, illegals are like leeches. I have no idea why so many think we can suck up an infinite amount of trash; this landfill has a limit for god sakes. They should be prohibited from using any public service, and kicked out as soon as possible. We have our OWN poor. We have our OWN problems. It's not like everyone in America is sipping on champagne and with two BMWs in the garage. Let's fix our problems, then help who we can. Doing otherwise is just stupid, if you don't mind me saying.[/QUOTE]


Damn right.

Aye. He hit the nail right on the head. Maybe some people here will care when they have to start paying for things like their own healthcare an such. Isn't being a kid grand?

I'm not saying that illegals shouldn't be removed and deported. They're a drain on our social services, and should either start paying or get out. But, in sight of the fact that we can not, at this time, effectively root out all illegal immigrants, why not place an incentive for these illegals to complete a secondary education? If we're going to have illegal immigrants, I'd rather they be illegals with a high school diploma/GED than illegals without.

If they were offered some sort of legal work status that meant they paid taxes into the system, people would be a little bit happier.