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San Andreas gets the "AO" tag
2005-07-21, 12:01 AM #41
That doesn't limit me playing the game at any way, so... Right.
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2005-07-21, 2:09 AM #42
I guess I'd better snap it up now before it's banned here in the land of Nazi Germany, I mean Australia.

They censored GTA3 (removing the prostitutes and with them a gameplay element) and we don't have an 18+ rating for games. Games that would fall in that category are not legal to be sold.
2005-07-21, 2:45 AM #43
[QUOTE=Matthew Pate]I guess I'd better snap it up now before it's banned here in the land of Nazi Germany, I mean Australia.

They censored GTA3 (removing the prostitutes and with them a gameplay element) and we don't have an 18+ rating for games. Games that would fall in that category are not legal to be sold.[/QUOTE]

Haven't we got that 18+ rating yet? I heard rumblings about it a while back but I guess nothing came from it.
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2005-07-21, 6:48 AM #44
The government doing something productive and good for its citizens? What country do you live in?
2005-07-21, 9:41 AM #45
[QUOTE=Matthew Pate]I guess I'd better snap it up now before it's banned here in the land of Nazi Germany, I mean Australia.

They censored GTA3 (removing the prostitutes and with them a gameplay element) and we don't have an 18+ rating for games. Games that would fall in that category are not legal to be sold.[/QUOTE]


why don't you guys down there do something about your oppressive government?
Any government that censors things is not to be trusted, IMO.
2005-07-21, 10:05 AM #46
Pagewizard, that's one of the stupidest things you've ever said. Censorship is a neccessity to keep national security in check. There's NO government that doesn't censor.
D E A T H
2005-07-21, 10:18 AM #47
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2005-07-21, 10:24 AM #48
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Pagewizard, that's one of the stupidest things you've ever said. Censorship is a neccessity to keep national security in check. There's NO government that doesn't censor.[/QUOTE]
He ment along the lines of Censoring a private corporation's product.
Media/books/games all are privately owned
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2005-07-21, 10:38 AM #49
But publicly distrabuted, if some type of information was deemed a public hazard even if privately created shouldn't the government be able to censor it for the saftey of the people.

Please note I'm not saying GTA is a threat to the public, I enjoyed the game personaly.
2005-07-21, 10:41 AM #50
Originally posted by Genki:
He ment along the lines of Censoring a private corporation's product.
Media/books/games all are privately owned



yes, that's exactly what I meant.
2005-07-21, 10:47 AM #51
[QUOTE=Yummy Cookie]But publicly distrabuted, if some type of information was deemed a public hazard even if privately created shouldn't the government be able to censor it for the saftey of the people.
[/QUOTE]


why is it the governments responsibility to decide if information from video games is a public hazard or not? People should be doing that on an individual basis by using their own discretion. I believe that if the government were to censor this, it would be exceeding its authority.
2005-07-21, 10:51 AM #52
I realize that's probably what Page meant, but the comment was still just idiotic.
D E A T H
2005-07-21, 10:58 AM #53
Originally posted by Pagewizard_YKS:
why is it the governments responsibility to decide if information from video games is a public hazard or not? People should be doing that on an individual basis by using their own discretion. I believe that if the government were to censor this, it would be exceeding its authority.



True censoring the video game would be over stepping the governments athority if the game was properly rated, but if the service that was in place to rate the video games let content slip thru, or the company broke the law and added the content after rating with no warning to the public. The government has to take action to protect people who only wanted a M rated game from content that is reserved for the AO rating. Should they not?
2005-07-21, 11:03 AM #54
[QUOTE=Yummy Cookie]True censoring the video game would be over stepping the governments athority if the game was properly rated, but if the service that was in place to rate the video games let content slip thru, or the company broke the law and added the content after rating with no warning to the public. The government has to take action to protect people who only wanted a M rated game from content that is reserved for the AO rating. Should they not?[/QUOTE]


The content in question is not available unless the user specifically adds the mod that enables it. In a sense, the user chooses whether they want to see the content or not.
2005-07-21, 11:05 AM #55
Well if it is a mater of free choice to view the content you're right the government cannot take your free choice away so you're absolutely right. But the tag should still be changed to reflect the content avalible in the game like it was in this case.
2005-07-21, 11:17 AM #56
FYI, the game's been taken off the sites of EB, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, and who knows how many other retailers. I imagine they're probably taking it off the shelves as well.
2005-07-21, 11:19 AM #57
So is Rockstar going to re-release the game with the content taken out?
2005-07-21, 11:23 AM #58
For the good of their pocket books they may.
2005-07-21, 11:24 AM #59
after extensive fines and inquiries, of course
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2005-07-21, 11:27 AM #60
Fines? Why would there be fines when ESRB isn't law? It's entirely voluntary.
2005-07-21, 11:28 AM #61
The government will find some way to fine them
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2005-07-21, 11:30 AM #62
Potiental release of pornography to a projected audience under 19 is how they'ed be fined here in Canada. Considering the M rating is for 17 and up.
2005-07-21, 11:32 AM #63
If you ever saw it, you'd see that it'd be one huge stretch to call that pornography...
2005-07-21, 11:40 AM #64
Originally posted by Darth:
If you ever saw it, you'd see that it'd be one huge stretch to call that pornography...


^Yes
2005-07-21, 12:06 PM #65
Originally posted by Darth:
FYI, the game's been taken off the sites of EB, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, and who knows how many other retailers. I imagine they're probably taking it off the shelves as well.


still on the shelves here
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2005-07-21, 12:08 PM #66
Originally posted by happydud:
Keep... thinking... Anarchy Online...


ya know... a GTA MMO could be interesting
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2005-07-21, 12:33 PM #67
That's a good point, sure the rating board missed something but where are the parents? Honestly... it's almost as bad as hearing a 12 year old on the voice chat for Counter Strike... I'm always like "What kind of parents let a 12 year old play this game!?"
2005-07-21, 12:57 PM #68
Well you know how people blow things out of proportion, the littlest thing with the right people behind it becomes the biggest.
2005-07-21, 1:02 PM #69
[QUOTE=Matthew Pate]The government doing something productive and good for its citizens? What country do you live in?[/QUOTE]

<3 (see sig)

As for the new sexual content of the game...

It's rated M. There's a reason it's rated M, and that's because people under 17 shouldn't be allowed to play it without parental consent. That said, you've now got sex, violence, and language, instead of violence and language. You've got a bonfire going, and you've added another log - that makes the fire that much more dangerous now?

I think I'm going to get a petition signed to have Hillary Clinton deported and then mail it to her.
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2005-07-21, 1:09 PM #70
Originally posted by Genki:
The government will find some way to fine them


False advertising?
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2005-07-21, 1:24 PM #71
I love how they are all going AWOL

Gems:
Quote:
The ESRB was formed 11 years ago amid congressional pressure to crack down on violent video games. The board now issues ratings for more than 1,000 game titles each year.

Fat lot of good that did.

Quote:
Take-Two president Paul Eibeler stressed in a statement that only an unauthorized "mod" makes the sex scenes available, and said "the decision to re-rate a game based on an unauthorized third party modification presents a new challenge for parents, the interactive entertainment industry and anyone who distributes or consumes digital content."

Which is what really parents should be doing in the first place.

Quote:
The sex scenes, inserted in a game whose main character seeks bloody vengeance on gang-filled streets while pickup scantily clad women, had prompted outrage from parent's groups and politicians including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.

Why am I not surprised...
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2005-07-21, 1:28 PM #72
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/14/nyregion/14hillary.html

From this Times article, which restates H. Clinton's press statement about games and GTA:SA.

Quote:
"Citing statistics released by the National Institute on Media and the Family, she said that 50 percent of boys between 7 and 14 were able to buy M-rated video games."


I can imagine how the National Institute on Media and the Family came up with this statistic.

NIMF: Billy, did you ever buy any Mature-rated games, especially one called Grand Theft Auto?
Billy: No, I never bought them. My mom and dad always buy them for me.
NIMF: No, Billy. Your parents couldn't have bought you the games, because we skinned them, drained them, and covered our expensive Italian sofas with them.
Billy: But...But I thought they were on vacation!
NIMF: No, Billy! They're dead! And you're statistic number one. Mark him down.
NIMF:Now what about you, Jessica? Did you ever buy Grand Theft Auto?
Jessica:No, I've only played it at a friend's house.
NIMF:Jessica, let's talk philosophy here. If you have played, for example, Game A, then you must have aquired Game A, correct?
Jessica: Well, not if my friend was the one who bought...
NIMF:No! Shut up! You bought the game, because you played the game. Are you a Philosophy major, you little wench?! I didn't think so! Mark her down!
Jessica: But...But!!
NIMF:Oh, and Jessica? You should tell us this friend's name as well, lest you'd like to have sofas as parents.

Scenario 2
NIMF:Jeff, have you ever played or purchased any Mature-rated games?
Jeff:I don't own a computer or Playstation, sir.
NIMF:Not relevant. Mark him down and kill his parents. I still have two uncovered pieces of furniture and you know Clinton won't sit on anything but flesh.
2005-07-21, 1:38 PM #73
That was cute, but really extreme... sad part is there is alot of kids being exposed to M rated content before they are infact mature enough to handle it.
2005-07-21, 1:41 PM #74
hehe.. wench
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2005-07-21, 2:17 PM #75
Originally posted by ExplosionsInTheSky:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/14/nyregion/14hillary.html

From this Times article, which restates H. Clinton's press statement about games and GTA:SA.



I can imagine how the National Institute on Media and the Family came up with this statistic.

NIMF: Billy, did you ever buy any Mature-rated games, especially one called Grand Theft Auto?
Billy: No, I never bought them. My mom and dad always buy them for me.
NIMF: No, Billy. Your parents couldn't have bought you the games, because we skinned them, drained them, and covered our expensive Italian sofas with them.
Billy: But...But I thought they were on vacation!
NIMF: No, Billy! They're dead! And you're statistic number one. Mark him down.
NIMF:Now what about you, Jessica? Did you ever buy Grand Theft Auto?
Jessica:No, I've only played it at a friend's house.
NIMF:Jessica, let's talk philosophy here. If you have played, for example, Game A, then you must have aquired Game A, correct?
Jessica: Well, not if my friend was the one who bought...
NIMF:No! Shut up! You bought the game, because you played the game. Are you a Philosophy major, you little wench?! I didn't think so! Mark her down!
Jessica: But...But!!
NIMF:Oh, and Jessica? You should tell us this friend's name as well, lest you'd like to have sofas as parents.

Scenario 2
NIMF:Jeff, have you ever played or purchased any Mature-rated games?
Jeff:I don't own a computer or Playstation, sir.
NIMF:Not relevant. Mark him down and kill his parents. I still have two uncovered pieces of furniture and you know Clinton won't sit on anything but flesh.


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D E A T H
2005-07-21, 2:23 PM #76
[QUOTE=Yummy Cookie]But publicly distrabuted, if some type of information was deemed a public hazard even if privately created shouldn't the government be able to censor it for the saftey of the people.

Please note I'm not saying GTA is a threat to the public, I enjoyed the game personaly.[/QUOTE]

Definitely not. I'll take freedom over safety any day of the week.
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2005-07-21, 2:24 PM #77
Does anyone else see the stupidity in this?

A sub-18 year old can get online and download this mod so they can see CJ banging a woman. Yeah, and eliminating it from stores will really help. If that kid wants to see some sex action they can get on the very same internet and download some porn. And it's probably alot easier to double click on a file than it is to incorporate that mod.

The point is, they think they're saving some kids or some nonsense like that, when in reality they have not done a thing. All they're doing is preventing someone like me from being able to buy the game.

This may be one of the only cases where I have really wanted to slap some democrats around... For about 40 minutes or so... with a hammer.
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2005-07-21, 3:50 PM #78
ABC News said "Video game pulled from store shelves because of hidden pornography scenes."

Ahh, love how the media warps things with buzzwords.
2005-07-21, 4:04 PM #79
ya i called one of my local news stations and told them their presentation of the story was a bit stretched
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2005-07-21, 4:38 PM #80
Originally posted by oSiRiS:
I can only assume you guys don't know what a gameshark is.

IT CHANGES MEMORY ADDRESSES MANUALLY!

So the content is not really available on the PS2 version either. The gameshark changes games in the same way that a mod does.



Quote:
Soon, reports began to surface that console versions of San Andreas contained code for the sex minigame. Late last week, GameSpot editors unlocked the code from a PlayStation 2 copy of San Andreas bought in October 2004, using an Action Replay Max device and a series of cheat codes. Since console games are written on unalterable DVDs and cheat codes cannot introduce new content, the fact the minigame was playable at all means it was included in the original PS2 San Andreas, albeit hidden.


Okay, Action Replay Max.
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