http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4980465/

Although I personally didn't find EpI or II that bad, this guy thinks they're the worst films ever made since the beginning of man.

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When the picture first loaded, I though Lucas was strangling C-3PO.

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yes wolfy, me too, and i agree with most of it

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I really hate Hayden's acting, and the streamlined cgi models, etc., but saying it all at this point is a waste of breath. Just pray he doesn't butcher this one too badly.

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Steal my dreams and sell them back to me.....

People need to shut up. It's Lucas' story, let him tell it. If he doesn't like the movie, he should get over it.

well yea, it is his story, but he doesnt deserve to be director. I think he just needs to be there to say how he wants it, but there needs to be a better director there to get it done right.

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what they need is lucas to work with a good director and have a team of star wars nerds with wiffle bats ready to smack lucas anytime he makes a bad decision

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LONG LIVE DREAMCAST!!!

Yes...because the Star Wars fans know so much more than the actual creator of the story.



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"I have no clue why people trust statistics like that. 99% of the time they are made up." - Raoul Duke

I didn't think that EpI and II were all that bad either. Some crappy dialogue based scenes and the midochlorians notwithstanding, the only thing that really bugged me about the two were some sub-par performances by McGregor, Portman and Christensen (sp?).

They've all pulled off some blinders in other movies, but in the prequels it looked as though someone placed way too much space-starch in the wash cycle. Admittedly though could have been told to act like that but at the end of the day all the complaints I make are pointless. Mainly because I'll still go and cough up money to see it at the theatre and then plop down more money for the DVD.

have you SEEN Ep1 and 2?

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LONG LIVE DREAMCAST!!!

Yes, I have seen both movies, and while I'm not throughly pleased with either I don't think Lucas should disregard what he wants for you.

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"I have no clue why people trust statistics like that. 99% of the time they are made up." - Raoul Duke

I thought both episode 1 and 2 were disappointing and mediocre. The guy does make the valid point that these two episodes lack the memorable lines from the original trilogy.

And it's not just lines, either. The entire storyline is so diluted by ploys to cater to a younger audience instead of the people who first enjoyed the original trilogy.

To some of us here, having Lucas continue to have free reign over what happens to the star wars series in light of his recent mistakes is like letting someone continue wiping their a** with the US constitution.

It's desecration, plain and simple, and should be stopped. Lucas is wiping his a** with the good name of the original trilogy by making shoddy prequels, and if that isn't enough, he wants to mess with the OT again by making "ultimate" editions.



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[This message has been edited by Pagewizard_YKS (edited May 20, 2004).]

The author is SPOT ON as far as Anikin's acting abilities, and almost everything else he said, I really do have to agree with. Doesn't mean I think it's all lucas' fualt, but I seriously don't think he spent enough time actually writing the storyline, and spent more time making some epic and elaborate storyline. The sheer fact that he's introducing yet ANOTHER Completelly CGI'd character means he's completelly out of ideas, and is just trying to look, sound, and act cool with these movies.

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I think we need to steal almost all of Lucas's money. Then he will say, "Ah ****. Now what?" Without the major budget, he has to rely on acting and good movie concepts instead of CGI and other flashy computer stuff.

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I say "you WILL learn your place, young one." a lot.

I may have even used "Credits will do fine."

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Anyways, its his **** man... let him do his own thing. How'd you feel if someone *****ed at what you do for your own project? I mean, you don't have to watch the movie if you don't want to...

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My Life.

Yes. I like this idea. I particularly like how he wanted Courscant to look like LA from Bladerunner and proceeded to construct the entire planet in the computer. I don't know about anyone else, but LA from Bladerunner was FAR superior. In all honesty, if a city that looked that good could be constructed as matte paintings and models in the 80s for Bladerunner, I see no reason why Lucas couldn't have done it for Courscant. It would have looked better in my opinion, not to mention it'd actually give the actors something to ACT to. I don't think it's easy to act to a blue screen where you have to imagine everything around you. Having a set frees up your mind a bit more so you can concentrate on other things, like acting well. My point, CGI is good and all, but he's used it in places where it's not needed. Places where it simply would have looked more real if he'd done it the old fashoned way.



Those aren't exactly what I'd call "memorable" though. They don't really stick with you after you leave the theater. Sure, they'll stick with some people, but to be truely memorable, it has to stick with at least 80+% of the viewers. "Flyin' through Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy!", or, "Down the garbage chute flyboy!" are far more memorable lines than, "Credits will do fine." Jeeze, I could keep going with the lines I remeber from the Original Trilogy. But I have a hard time pulling up lines from the prequels. Number of times viewed doesn't metter too much to me, I usually will walk away after the second viewing remembering it.

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As for the "streamlined" look, which BH4H mentioned earlier... If you watch TPM and AotC back to back, you'll notice that things in AotC are a lot less smooth and round than they were in TPM. If EpIII follows the same pattern, it should bridge the gap perfectly between the prequels and the OT.

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Moo.

What about "Now if you'll excuse, I will retire." - deleted dialoguedespite the fact that I haven't seen either of you in ten years, I will say hello and then go to bed because my head piece is heavy.

Those weren't so memorable... I wouldnt have even remembered them until you brought them up, or I watched the movie again.

"Boring conversation anyway" was.

So was "Never tell me the odds!".

BTW, what point was he trying to make with the 10th grader whining argument? Did he forget about the "But I was gonna go to Toshi Station to pick up some power convererrrrrs." Luke had to get it from somewhere...

[edit] argh, more posts... I was referring to 3 posts ago about the memorable lines.

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[This message has been edited by KOP_Snake (edited May 20, 2004).]

Ha ha ha! I was always looking for a way to describe his acting.

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I agree with phoenix on the acting. I think it would have been better if there were more to the sets rather than green screen all the time.

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I'm not an actor. I just play one on TV.

The point is that Darth Vader is supposed to be terrifying when he's angry. There's nothing intimidating about an angry Hayden Christiansen.

As for the rest of the article:

Bahn is dead-on about Lucas's writing. The first two prequels suffered from an almost total lack of polished dialogue. Most of the exchanges, particularly between Anakin and Amidala in the second movie, were pure cliche.

Portman is a more than capable actress, but after the first two movies I have to agree that she's miscast here. MacGregor would be much better if he weren't saddled with such awful scripts. I honestly felt sorry for him.

Oh, and to those who haven't seen Ed Wood's "Plan 9 From Outer Space" - voted the worst movie of all time - rent it. It's a laugh a minute.

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"Why aren't I'm using at these pictures?" - Cloud, 4/14/02

Indeed, So much so that it was painful for me to watch.



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Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.

I think Lucas was just really really lucky the first Star Wars was a hit. He was really really lucky he pulled in enough talent to make the other 2 parts of the original trilogy work. Indiana Jones I dont give him credit for because that was Steven Spielburg.

Have you seen any of Lucas' other movies? Aside from American Graffitti they are ALL crap! Willow!? WHAT THE **** IS THAT!

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A Ron Howard movie...

I actually liked it.

/me turns all of massassi into pigs

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"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."

ya... I have the DVD of Willow just because I like... that actor in it. Forgot his name. He was in Top Gun and one of the Batman movies.

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I believe it was Val Kilmer.

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"This thread is still alive? Someone should kill it."

You would like to think so, wouldnt you?

Well, I believe you are correct, sir.

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It also has a bunch of famous midgets in it. There's Warwick Davis, the one from Me, Myself, and Irene (I think he was in Bad Santa too, but I haven't seen that one). Mickey from Seinfeld. And there was one more, he was in "Legend" and "Masters of the Universe".

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"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."

The Midi-chlorians is the frigging downfall of the Jedi, and not in a "well duh, Lucas ruined it." The reason they were never mentioned in the old trilogy, but will be in the new, is because of this:

The Jedi refuse to look at The Force in a religious matter, and thus turn towards science to try and figure out why they can do the things they do. They notice the Jedi have alot of the midichlorians in them, so that must be the reason right? So they look at The Force in a physical sense and not just spiritual (hence why none of them were disappearing when they died). It isn't until Qui-Gon screams in AotC that Yoda realizes that maybe there is more to The Force than just a physical thing, but also a spiritual thing.

Since the Jedi put too much faith in science and not in there religion, it helps lead to the downfall.

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We should stop dissing a movie that hasn't even been released yet (we haven't even seen the trailers)

For the acting, Lucas said it was done on purpose (Why, I dunno).

Also, every cast and crew says this is the best prequel (and it is, because I know practically everything about this movie). They also said that Ep3 will tie everything from the prequels together. Some things you think didn't make sense at the time, actually do make sense.

Also, surely, you must know how difficult it is to make a story build up to what we know in episode 4, when he's going backwards in time. That'd be hard to accomplish. Let's just give him credit for trying so hard with these movies, without cancelling them. With all the stress, any other director might have stopped after episode 1.

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You can't kill......the xizor.

You expect them to say otherwise? Please, I bet the cast and crew of Gigli said the same damned thing while making the movie. It turned out to suck, BAD.

I put little faith in what the cast and crew say about a movie since they are the ones working on it.

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Empire and Jedi both had other directors, and they fared better in the acting and story lines. Lucas produced them. So far Menace and Clones don't even come close to those. They were also too pretty with all of that CG crap. Even by itself, however, Star Wars was the best movie of them all (hardly any CG stuff to boot), and maybe Lucas should've left it at that...?

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I agree. Let Shyamalan do it. :-D

Maybe, although I would bet that at least the crew of Gigli knew their movie sucked.



That would be friggin' awesome.

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[This message has been edited by Michael MacFarlane (edited May 21, 2004).]

CGI is impressive, yes. But after doing an entire research paper on the subject of Computer Generated Special Effects, I find it far more impressive what can be accomplished WITHOUT CGI.

The Battle of Hoth is my single favorite SW battle in the OT. All of it is stop motion. That is one hellova feat. And it looks VERY VERY good.

I think Lucas needs to put down the keyboard and mouse and pickup some Elmer's Glue and plastic model kits.

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