I hate iTunes. With a passion. Somehow, half of the music I had on my iBook transferred from my PC magically disappeared, so now I have to re-transfer it.

Anyone know of a good 3rd party player, preferrably something like winamp or foobar, something lightweight, for the mac? Thanks.

iTunes

Take some time to learn it...

yoshi's an mp3 racist

It's learned. Still sucks, and I hate the way it sorts my music. Something lightweight and THIRD PARTY please.

Thrawn--go listen to your ska hybrid some more.

>:|

Did you try Winamp Mac version?

[edit: er...nevermind that. Only alpha version. Maybe google it]

Yeah, welcome to the wonderful world of mac. Also, SAJN is a futureposting ******* child

Mac... 3rd party? Oh man you lost me somewhere in there.

I thougt you've never had problems with Mac's before Yoshi?

iTunes is the best and easiest. If you don't like it. YOU'RE SCREWED. :p

Install Darwin ports and compile Amarok?

[edit]They don't have Amarok in Darwin ports, but they have xmms and some other programs. Might be worth it to see if there is anything useful in there.[/edit]

Linux is sorely lacking in the area of media players, thus - by extension - so is MacOS X.

I love how VLC is still the best video player ---- UI not included, of course. Because that would be too easy.

*Cough*

Mplayer >>>>> VLC.

This isn't a physical problem with Mac's, this is a personal issue with their media player.

I'll check out that winamp version alpha player though. And CM--VLC is the most supported player right out fo the box. No codecs required. UI-wise, it's then just up to your preferences.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]This isn't a physical problem with Mac's, this is a personal issue with their media player.

I'll check out that winamp version alpha player though. And CM--VLC is the most supported player right out fo the box. No codecs required. UI-wise, it's then just up to your preferences.[/QUOTE]


But... your wrong?

Mplayer supports more formats than VLC, its faster, its super-customizable, it handles corrupted files much better, and can even fix AVI's with broken indexes, and it has its own encoder.

VLC does not have the following things out of the box:
Realmedia
Indeo
SVCD
WMV3 support (in linux)
Quicktime support (in linux)
Full DVD subtitling
OpenGL output support (Required for really slow PCs)
Direct3d support (Required for really slow windows PCs)

I like VLC better. Four of those don't apply (I'm running a fast Windows machine) to me, the rest...well I probally just don't know what they are.

But I still have not found any media which I was unable to play in VLC.

I found one AVI that winamp could play that mplayer couldn't. One. <3 mplayer.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]I hate iTunes. With a passion. Somehow, half of the music I had on my iBook transferred from my PC magically disappeared, so now I have to re-transfer it.[/QUOTE]
That's hardly the fault of iTunes that your music vanished. It doesn't just delete music on it's own. You screwed up somewhere, not iTunes.

Actually..You're wrong. It has happened on Mac's, and does happen on a regular basis. Music and data can suddenly be lost, without any real cause or reason. And I think Yoshi knows enough about computers at least to avoid buggering up his HD and causing data loss.

It's not that it's gone, it's just that it's done its "amazing job of sorting" songs into folders that don't show up in the library. A lot of songs. And it's split up albums. It sucks. And actually, Temp's right, random data loss IS known on Macs, though I don't think anything actually got lost (except a couple albums that were at the ***-end of a network transfer when the mac went to sleep).

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]But... your wrong?

Mplayer supports more formats than VLC, its faster, its super-customizable, it handles corrupted files much better, and can even fix AVI's with broken indexes, and it has its own encoder.

VLC does not have the following things out of the box:
Realmedia
Indeo
SVCD
WMV3 support (in linux)
Quicktime support (in linux)
Full DVD subtitling
OpenGL output support (Required for really slow PCs)
Direct3d support (Required for really slow windows PCs)[/QUOTE]

VLC has SVCD, full DVD subtitling, OGL and D3D support out of the box. And mplayer needs codecs for everything out of the box.

I do believe YOU'RE wrong my friend.

Never to me. And I have an ASSLOAD of music on the family iMac. So much that I'm consistently pestered by my dad to move it off.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]It's not that it's gone, it's just that it's done its "amazing job of sorting" songs into folders that don't show up in the library. A lot of songs. And it's split up albums. It sucks. And actually, Temp's right, random data loss IS known on Macs, though I don't think anything actually got lost (except a couple albums that were at the ***-end of a network transfer when the mac went to sleep).[/QUOTE]
You can tell it not to sort, but I believe you know that. It does all it's sorting by ID tags. I believe you know that too. If it split albums up, it's likely due to an inconsistency in your tags. And if it's all in folders, sitting on your HD, PHYSICALLY THERE, drag and drop it all back into iTunes. Problem solved. As for it loosing data due to it going to sleep... I've never had that problem, I find it interesting that it went to sleep regardless of the fact it was busy. And though I haven't tested it, if you've got a hotcorner setup to force it to sleep, it's possible that was triggered and cut it off.

Anyway you put it, I DOUBT this is an error on iTune's part. It's doing what's it's designed to do, and works for millions of people just fine. This means you did something accidentially somewhere along the line with either importing everything, or moving it over. Accidents happen. You're only human. Don't tell me there's no way you could've ****ed something up.

If there was an error with iTunes, Apple would have already released an update on that.

It's not an error. WTF. You guys aren't getting me--music just seems to have disappeared, which is odd, but I've found plenty of music sorted into folders that isn't in iTunes. I have TONS of music, and can't be asked to go through and drag and drop every single file I have that's not on there already. And I decided to try the iTunes sorting that's critically acclaimed. Yeah, it sorts just like Winamp, only it actually puts the music into the folder it sorts. That part I did NOT like.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]VLC has SVCD, full DVD subtitling, OGL and D3D support out of the box. And mplayer needs codecs for everything out of the box.

I do believe YOU'RE wrong my friend.[/QUOTE]

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html

I do believe their own website would know what the hell their own software provides.

And Mplayer has all codecs in one file. ALL. CODECS. And they are not "installer" codecs common to packages like k-lite and other stuff. It's just a zip. But either way, it supports just as many formats as VLC even without that codec file. (Yes, you can run Mplayer without anything in the codec folder.)

I can't get MPlayer working across multiple monitors in Windows. Any idea how to do that CM? That's about my only beef with it. That and it has trouble playing some, er, short videos which were joined together from smaller clips. VLC has no trouble with that.

I dunno about the short video issue, I've never ever come across a file it wouldn't play.

As for the multiple monitors issue, you need to specify gl2 for vo in the config file instead of directx. DirectX only works on the primary monitor, so it freaks out like mad hell when you try to move it to the other monitor.

I'm just telling you what it did for me, right out of the box, when I downloaded it a couple weeks ago. I still haven't gotten any codecs (except real alternative and quicktime alternative).

And matty, there's only two things on there you could even dispute. Subtitle support 'not complete' may just mean it's not in every single language that's subtitled yet. Can't blame the guys on that, especially since I DON'T CARE.

SVCDs...never had a problem. Ever.

So yeah, in other words, what was that? Oh, right, more **** from your ***.

One last thing--I said out of the box. Not from any codecs or anything. Including .zip files.

PWND [/SIZE][/COLOR]

You're also only one person.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]As for the multiple monitors issue, you need to specify gl2 for vo in the config file instead of directx.[/QUOTE]
Right, I forget to mention I already did that. But when I fullscreen it always goes back to the first monitor. Could just be a bug. I might try a nightly build.

And while people may indeed call up tech support over it, there's still many times MORE than that number of people who don't have a problem at all.

I've been using iTunes almost forever now under OSX. Never has it gone and screwed up my files. I've been using it on PC since it's release. Never has it done anything there. Millions of other people have done the same. I am not only one person. I am one of many.

Oh, THAT. That's not mplayer. That's windows being it's ****ty self. mplayer currently doesn't have the stupid hack required to do multiple monitors in windows like that. (Which includes disabling acceleration on both monitors, and creating a virtual head for the program. They don't do this because the windows version of mplayer is more of a "Extra" than a fully supported product. You might see it in the program soon though.)

And what does that matter since I now have the problem? I don't care if you and millions of others don't. I do. So shove off, Ian.

Yoshi, I think he's just trying to speak on what I was saying.

But yeah, it's true that millions don't have that problem. But, it's also true that millions DO have that problem.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Oh, THAT. That's not mplayer. That's windows being it's ****ty self. mplayer currently doesn't have the stupid hack required to do multiple monitors in windows like that.[/QUOTE]
So you're blaming it on Windows? Bzzt. Nice try. I don't care if it's a hack, MPlayer should support multiple monitors. VLC does.

VLC fo life, yo!

/me puts on VLC colors and throws a pair of shoes over the power-line.

Yes, I am blaming it on Windows, because its true. mplayer does multiple monitors perfectly in linux. Bzzt.

Oh damn, VLC and Mplayer are the new "In" things? I'm still on winamp.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Yes, I am blaming it on Windows, because its true. mplayer does multiple monitors perfectly in linux. Bzzt.[/QUOTE]

Too bad MPlayer doesn't in the MOST USED OS IN THE DESKTOP WORLD. "bzzt"