Well, its coming out tomorrow, and i've heard nothing at all about it here, so i decided to take matters into my own hands. So, who here is seeing it? and what do you think its going to be like? i've recently goteen very, very worried, because i heard that they took out all the gods and make achilles fully mortal (basicly, they made it real life, i guess) from a Time article on the movie, but, i'm going to wait to see it before passing judgement.

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I think I heard they're trying to make it as historically accurate as they can, not mythical. I think it'll go over pretty well. I'm going to see Van Helsing again though before I see Troy.

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Yah, i was sorta hoping to get this community's thoughts on it. I've already been to rotten tomatoes.

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[This message has been edited by Noble Outlaw (edited May 13, 2004).]

The soundtrack's pretty good.

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Nevermind, Sean Bean and Peter O'Toole are in it. It's going to be awesome.

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I'm seeing it three times on Friday, and am quite hopeful.

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This is an actual quote from the Boston Globe on Troy



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From what I've read so far in the reviews is that the dialogue is awful, but the battles are awesome.

I'm seeing it either tomorrow or Saturday, and I'm stoked. It'll be great.

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One only has to read Homer's stories to know that. But it isn't that the dialogue is poor, I'd just say we're not used to it.

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Yes, that's it exactly. Why is it that no one I've talked to about this movie believes me when I tell them that?

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Because, even if we know we're not used to it, it still sounds bad to us, and so people will put that down as bad dialoge.

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They should not have cast Orlando Bloom in Troy. He's a pansy *** nancy boy. He looks fine as an elf (skinny and pasty white), but he doesn't look like a soldier. Maybe he'll be a wimpy prince or nobleman.

Hellequin, read the Iliad. Paris doesn't really fight all that much, and he is the pretty boy in the book.

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Well, if they wanted to make it more realistic, the whole war was about trade routes anyway. The whole "Helen" thing was just an excuse to go in and annihilate the city.

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No, the excuse to annihilate the city was the trade routes you mentioned. Helen was just an embellishment by Homer, i believe, to make it sound better. I mean, what would you rather hear: a story about some trade route dispute or an epic battel over the most beautiful woman ever?

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[This message has been edited by Noble Outlaw (edited May 13, 2004).]

The battle scenes should be impressive, that's worth $10 IMO.

The newspaper here said Brad Pitt's acting 'has to be seen to be beleived'. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing...

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Hmm. I think George Lucas has already answered THAT question...

I just saw it.

I give it the "Wait Until it Comes Out on Video" seal of mediocrity.

I just got back from the theater a little while ago, and I liked it. IT's not the greatest movie ever filmed, but they did a pretty good job with it.

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I thought it was as good as Gladiator...so 41/2 out of 5 I'd say.

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I liked it better than Gladiator. Brad Pitt was excellent, as was Eric Bana. I stand by my assertion that Orlando Bloom is one of the worst actors that has everyone else fooled that he's a good actor.

What's funny is how I knew exactly how everything was supposed to happen yet I was still tense during the duel scenes and when Hector goes after Achilles at the Apollonian Temple at the beginning. The Hector vs. Achilles fight was pretty good. I was like "they better have Achilles chain up Hector's body and drag it around a while or I'll be pissed"

I really liked how they treated the characters in the film. I loved their depiction of the Trojans as the superior peoples and the Greeks, save Achilles were all just some washed up hicks. I hope everyone else caught the passing of the sword of Troy thing, that was my favorite part aside from Hector basically handing it to Menelaus in one move (sure he wasnt expecting it, but even fat guys could move faster than that).

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[This message has been edited by Schming (edited May 15, 2004).]

Yeah, Orlando Bloom is a [cat].

Also, when it said Nudity, I was hopeing more Helen then Brad Pitt

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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited May 15, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Vincent Valentine (edited May 15, 2004).]

I enjoyed it a lot.

Fantastic story. It's really more of an endorsment for The Illiad (which I am now going to find a copy of and start reading) than the movie, but I really liked the characters and all their various relationships and interactions, especially Hector and Achilles. It seemed pretty tight for 2 hours and 40 minutes, too, there was heaps of action and most of the dialogue was interesting.

The Hector vs Achilles fight was a highlight. It's so weird seeing Eric Bana play a serious role, though, I'm sure all the Aussies will agree with me there, roight?

As for negatives, too much of the dialogue was overly cheesy, and the way it was delivered (more the director's fault than the actor's, it seemed to be a continuing theme) didnt help things any. And yeah, Orlando Bloom is a pansy and eternally type-cast as an Elf with a bow. He doesnt even seem like he's trying half the time.

That's the first movie for as long as I can remember where Sean Bean's character doesnt get killed. Seriously, he has a habit of playing characters who dont see it to the end of the movie (Equilibrium, GoldenEye, Lord of the Rings), if anyone was gonna kick the bucket in a movie it's usually a pretty safe bet it'll be his character.

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I just saw it last night, and i thought it was awesome. Not as good as LotR, but still awesome, and i've read (most) of the illiad, too. maybe that's why i thought the dialogue was good. The only thing i saw wrong with the movie, allowing for the fact that they kept it to real life, was the fact that in the illiad, the trojans thought that the horse was a gift to Athena, not posidon(sp?), but otherwise i thought it was really good.

Favorite quote: "The boatman's waiting for us, men. I say we make him wait a little longer!"

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Pick another comparison. Otherwise you'll be saying that about every movie you see.

He was supposed to be a pansy, so it worked out well.

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You've read the Iliad, and that's all you can think of that was wrong? Either your reading comprehension was bad, or you just forgot some of it. There were so many faults in this movie (if you read the book it was sad)

1. Movie took place over 3 weeks it seemed like, book was 10 years

2. The slave girl that Achilles had was never ever in the book as a major character. Only mentioned once. In the movie, she was just a tool for character development, and I thought it was just awful. This one I'm especially mad at, because it was so huge in the movie.

3. The abscense of the Gods. They were so important in the book, and they are totally left out of the movie.

4. A ton of characters were left out, or under-developed.

And numerous others.

Now, aside from it being so inaccurate to the book, I thought the acting was pretty good actually. Eric Bana as Hector was really good, probably the best. The CG was pretty well done, however I did notice some faults in the big battle scene (I have an eye for these things, so you might not see some of them). Again, if you haven't read the book, it was pretty good. The book was too epic to make into a 3 hour movie.

Rating if you've read the book: 4/10
If you haven't read the book: 7/10.

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[This message has been edited by mscbuck (edited May 15, 2004).]

I just saw Troy again.

SAJN_Master: Each time I see Troy..Brad Pitt gets even more Nekkid
SAJN_Master: It burns my eyes
Gebohq: haha
Gebohq: just wait until the 5th time you see it, he'll be flapping his wang all over the widescreen

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[This message has been edited by SAJN_Master (edited May 15, 2004).]

First off, i said i read most of the illiad, not all, so i wasn't sure of anything past odysseus' idea for the horse. secondly, i think i phrased that wrong. thats the only thing i didn't like about it. I knew there were the inaccuracies, and i expected them. I knew the gods weren't there earlier, since i had read it in an issue of Time:



However, knowing that, i think they did an excellent job of smoothing over their absence.

Next, the extra development of the slave girl wasn't in the illiad, but it didn't really cause any problems. They still reproduced the altercation between Agamemnon and Achilles faithfully, and the extra development allowed for achilles' death at the end.

AS for the last two, about the length and the extra characters, you said it yourself. the story was too epic to include them all, and the movie was already three hours.

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The credits said 'Inspired by Homer's The Iliad', not even 'based on'.

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May I point something out? The movie wasn't called The Illiad. It was called Troy.

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[This message has been edited by BobTheMasher (edited May 15, 2004).]

Sean Bean is the greatest.

On a side-note, legend has it that Odesseus does eventually die an unnatural death at sea, having gone for one last journey. In Dante's Inferno, it is said a storm destroys his boat while he is sailing toward Mount Purgatory, to keep him from reaching it. He burns in Hell for having used his intellect for deception (the Trojan Horse).

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Personnaly, having not read the Iliad, I thought the movie was good if you remove the now so popular Hollywood scenes and some of the awful performance from Bloom.

Having that set aside.. I think there is a will in this movie to criticize what's going on today. It is quite clear that the movie has a "anti-war" theme. I do not know if the Iliad is set like that. But an ambitious king willing to invade a region for his own interests... is helped by an unexpected event... serving as a pretext to own this region. For example, when Menelaus die, they say the troops morale is low and they want to go back home because the "pretext" is gone. They do not know what they are fighting for. The issue is widely brought. I think Achilles greatly puts it : "I taught you how to fight, but not why to fight" "You are fighting for one Greek" "Soldiers fight for a man they've never even met" ... and so on. And the 2 fighting themselves at the end (Achilles vs. Hector) are the ones that did not want this war.

So yeah.. there is quite to think about when you see what's going on today.

My western civ prof posits that the Illiad is one of the single greatest pro-war and anti-war pieces of literature ever written, it so comprehensively explores all the glory and whatever as well as being very open and blunt about all the atrocities and such.

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I liked it, but the beginning was really dragged out, and showing every single burning of every single main character got old. Fast. Let's not mention the reused and overused scenes from a million other movies. I swear, at one point, I could have guessed what they were about to say; it was that cheesy.

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Well Hellequin, you'll be happy to know that Bloom was a wimpy prince. Good call. I really couldn't believe how bad some of his acting was. He only had two expressions during the whole movie: he was about to **** himself, or he was about to cry.

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Was it Briseis? Because Ovid wrote a love poem from her to Achilles, so Troy (I haven't seen it yet) should be commended for including all the different legends about Troy. I mean, as far as I can remember, the horse wasn't even in the Illiad, but from the Aeniad, a Latin text from hundreds of years later.