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Seriously, why are we letting this happen?
2005-08-26, 9:34 PM #1
Why is it that people are allowing oil companies to scapegoat onto OPEC or the Middle east wars and inflate prices of oil? The oil companies are having unprecedented profits because they are shafting everyone and they were keeping it pretty quiet, letting people speculate that the price was going higher because of the wars and arab countries being angery at us. It also sounds like oil companies are doing the same to the European countries. Sorry, but when gas prices start to rise, I expect it to be because the companies have to raise them to keep an acceptable profit margin. Not so they can drastically increase those margins just to feed their greed by taking advantage of people's oil dependancy.

Oil is a necessity for America. This isn't something like chocolate where if prices get to high they can stop eating. We have to keep consuming it because it's what keeps our homes warm, transportation running, etc. Some states have considered taking away the tax on gas to help alleviate the cost. Why should the states suffer because of the oil companies? We aren't we passing price cap laws?

Also, I hate that BS argument "Well, then how come you pay the price for cappucinos/bottled water/etc that would end up being $8 a gallon?" Here's a little hint for the people that use this argument.... WE DON'T BUY THAT CRAP BY THE GALLON! STOP TRYING TO MAKE A $3 CAPPUCHINO LOOK MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PAYING $30 AT THE PUMP EACH TIME!!! As you can tell, I'm very frustrated right now.
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2005-08-26, 9:53 PM #2
The problem is that nobody has any way to even stop the problem. Even though there may be some bigshot politician that thinks he can solve some issue, no single person has any power to change the world. The only way to stop things like this is by a global collective effort by the people who are being abused. Leaders hold only the power that people give them. People are stupid. That's what causes the gas prices to continue to rise. We can't just give up our oil because we need it. Oil will never be cheap again untill an economical alternate energy source is provided. The only problem with that is that once there is a new energy source we will be controlled by that. The people become so dependant on these things that it runs the world. Kinda funny how it works.

In short the solution to the problem is that there is no solution and it will eventually fix itself because people are stupid. There have been many revolutions such as the civil rights movement that have been brought to pass by a global collective effort of the abused to end the problem. I don't however see people giving up their oil unless the circumstances became so bad that the general population could no longer afford to pay the oil costs. If it does get to this point then the oil companies get what they deserve since they would be shooting themselves in the foot by raising the prices to an extreme height.


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2005-08-26, 9:56 PM #3
jedi I, you don't have to hit enter when your text reaches the end of the text box...it automatically wraps for you. Also, use paragraphs!
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2005-08-26, 9:57 PM #4
I refuse to read that post. I apologize, but it's eye-murder.
Think while it's still legal.
2005-08-26, 9:59 PM #5
But it looks like poetry. :)
2005-08-26, 10:03 PM #6
Originally posted by Emon:
jedi I, you don't have to hit enter when your text reaches the end of the text box...it automatically wraps for you. Also, use paragraphs!


Yea I know I'm totally hopeless but I just didn't use
paragraphs since I was just rambling anyway and
school doesn't start till monday anyway... :)
If curiosity killed the cat then perhaps Curious George killed the cat.
But Cat's do have nine lives so who knows?
2005-08-26, 10:07 PM #7
well, then why did you keep doing it? or, is that what you're doing? its rather strange that you keep the margin at about 2.5 inches in. sooo.. please stop it?
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2005-08-26, 10:14 PM #8
[QUOTE=Noble Outlaw]well, then why did you keep doing it? or, is that what you're doing? its rather strange that you keep the margin at about 2.5 inches in. sooo.. please stop it?[/QUOTE]

That's just how I type on massassi.
Lot's of people complain but I don't
really feel like conforming at the
moment. Once I tried to conform
and a few people didn't want me to.
Now I'm never going to unless I feel
like it. Sorry if you don't like it.

I agree with the eye murder thingy.
I should have used paragraphs. I
don't blame you if you don't want to
read that. BTW I actually had a
valid point about the oil thing lest
you wonder without even reading.
If curiosity killed the cat then perhaps Curious George killed the cat.
But Cat's do have nine lives so who knows?
2005-08-26, 10:14 PM #9
What about the price caps? Put a price cap on what a state or the country will import oil for. That way the oil companies can have an adequate profit to stay in business and consumers don't have to pay out the nose.
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2005-08-26, 10:29 PM #10
I would say go for the price cap idea.
The dirty politicians don't have the
public interest in mind unfortunately.
They would suggest the idea merely
to gain support. Curse the politicians.

This issue (along with any other issue
that deals with any type of politics)
gets me going about government
corruption. It's sick really. The price
caps ought to solve the problem (or
cause a war) but I'm not sure if most
of our countries leaders want the
problem to be solved. If it doesn't
fit their best interest then they are
against it. If it does they will support
it.

It's pathetic that most citizens that
are involved with at least knowing the
issues and forming their own oppinions
on them are overlooked. The big wigs
just say, "This country was created as
a republic and not a democracy because
the people aren't always able to make
the best decision for themselves." - a
school board member said that one -
That mentality is what kills great ideas
like this price cap.
If curiosity killed the cat then perhaps Curious George killed the cat.
But Cat's do have nine lives so who knows?
2005-08-26, 10:30 PM #11
[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]What about the price caps? Put a price cap on what a state or the country will import oil for. That way the oil companies can have an adequate profit to stay in business and consumers don't have to pay out the nose.[/QUOTE]

The price cap is what screwed up the oil economy in the 70's. People waited hours in line to get gas. Seriously.
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2005-08-26, 10:30 PM #12
It's all regulated by the government and big corporations. They all like to **** you in the ***.
2005-08-26, 10:32 PM #13
I can't read that ijedi.
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2005-08-26, 10:35 PM #14
Originally posted by jEDIkIRBY:
I can't read that ijedi.


That's alright.

I am seriosly considering putting something
in my signature that says "I know I type like
a retard but get over it, get used to it or sue
me. If it's too hard to read then I won't feel
bad if you don't :) "
If curiosity killed the cat then perhaps Curious George killed the cat.
But Cat's do have nine lives so who knows?
2005-08-26, 11:28 PM #15
[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]What about the price caps? Put a price cap on what a state or the country will import oil for. That way the oil companies can have an adequate profit to stay in business and consumers don't have to pay out the nose.[/QUOTE]
Bad bad bad bad idea. Price capping will only provide very short relief and it will not solve the problem at all. I cannot think of an artificially set price that has actually worked.

Story time!
The latest price cap blunder is the California power crisis. During those times in 2000 we had a tremendous spike in power demand and barely enough supply. So Grayout Davis and his so-called wisdom decides to fix the price of power. Well that went over well. Pretty soon power companies were going down the hill FAST and there was absolutely NO sign of relief. Californians brought their own electrical demise. The state's population grew yet NIMBYism (not in my backyard) prevented a single power plant from being built in a decade.

I don't know why gas is so high. I've heard of demand being outrageous. Plausable. Supply being less. Plausable again. OPEC ****ing us over. Very probable. To the oil company conspiracies. Doubtful.
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2005-08-27, 7:01 AM #16
It's Bush giving kickbacks to his friends. Duh.
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2005-08-27, 7:20 AM #17
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
I don't know why gas is so high. I've heard of demand being outrageous. Plausable. Supply being less. Plausable again. OPEC ****ing us over. Very probable. To the oil company conspiracies. Doubtful.


The real reason is, the gas price is simply linked to the oil price.

Our country suffers from a small economic crisis because of the oil price rocketing, but that is somewhat being leveled at the same time, because we export a lot of gas, and the gas price is linked to the oil price, so the government is getting more money for our gas.

But that's just the government. We, the citizens, keep paying a lot for both gas and oil.

This is what you get for starting wars in the Middle East. There's only so much oil left, and there's only 20 more years or so of profit to be made. Easy maths, and everybody wants his share, including the US government.
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2005-08-27, 8:02 AM #18
Trump hates it too

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2005-08-27, 8:03 AM #19
[QUOTE=jedi I] "I know I type like
a retard but get over it, get used to it or sue
me. "[/QUOTE]


Why sue when we can just edit your posts to make them readable? :)
2005-08-27, 12:14 PM #20
Originally posted by JediGandalf:
I don't know why gas is so high. I've heard of demand being outrageous. Plausable. Supply being less. Plausable again. OPEC ****ing us over. Very probable. To the oil company conspiracies. Doubtful.

Any of those could be true. But given the insane profits oil companies are achieving, they are trying to make the problem larger than it is, thus giving them excuse to gouge the market. And price gouging isn't a conspiracy. I wouldn't be pissed if it was necessary for prices to be this high because of a company trying to get some profit and remain operational. But that isn't the case. This is just them becoming richer and richer at the expense of the consumers who have no choice.
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2005-08-27, 12:47 PM #21
i think the oil companies are riding the fear wave. 50% of the time the reason for high oil prices is a fear of terrorist activities. and who gives us this crap? the media.
also the analysts for big investing firms keep telling people to buy oil. it's going up, you'll make cash.
supply and demand. the oil companies are loving it. except the supply is there. it's the demand that's being exagerated.

and about the water and cappuccino thing, i don't know how they make cappacino but i do know how to make water for $0.01/litre... turn on the ****ing tap. we live in a society where we don't have to walk 10km for a bucket of water people. anyone who pays $1.69 per half litre of water (yes we sell it in litres and half litres here in canada right beside the $1.00/L gas) is a ****ing idiot. what a monumental waste of money.
anyone who buys a 500ml bottle of water for $1.69 while complaining about the gas the just pumped for $0.95/L should be put down. they are too stupid to be living in a society like ours. they probably complain about how much taxes they pay with everything, every convenience they could ever want, delivered to their doorstep. and of course it's the government's fault. yeah. it's all thier fault.
2005-08-27, 12:52 PM #22
Bottled water tastes like crap anyway. :p
Democracy: rule by the stupid
2005-08-27, 12:58 PM #23
My tap water smells weird. :(
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2005-08-27, 1:01 PM #24
You have a backed up septic tank. :D
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2005-08-27, 1:05 PM #25
I can't read Ijedi when he posts like that. I just dont like moving my eyes back and forth that quickly.
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2005-08-27, 1:18 PM #26
[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]You have a backed up septic tank. :D[/QUOTE]


Sounds like a fun job.
2005-08-27, 1:28 PM #27
OMG I can't read if someone types in narrow columns because it somehow changes to russian! It's not as though it's still English or anything! I must whine like a baby! [/idiot]
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2005-08-27, 2:10 PM #28
Originally posted by Wolfy:
It's Bush giving kickbacks to his friends. Duh.


wolfy wins
free(jin);
tofu sucks
2005-08-27, 2:15 PM #29
Originally posted by Bill:
OMG I can't read if someone types in narrow columns because it somehow changes to russian! It's not as though it's still English or anything! I must whine like a baby! [/idiot]


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2005-08-27, 2:22 PM #30
Wolfy, I can actually read that fairly easily :D
2005-08-27, 2:47 PM #31
Oil companies are just taking advantage of a war on terror, using it as a price booster for supposed security. They simply slowly raise the price of oil, so people won't bicker for small changes. Not really a crime and its not something to protest about. Hmmm....
2005-08-27, 2:53 PM #32
and i rember when people 'usta complain about my post all the times! hurray for the new guy! :p

(this does not open the flood gates.... anyone who "corrects" this post for spelling mistakes will be strapped to the back of a whale and marooned on a desserted island with out any cookies. no, i'm not joking)
Laughing at my spelling herts my feelings. Well laughing is fine actully, but posting about it is not.
2005-08-27, 3:59 PM #33
I'll read jedi I's post...when I feel like breaking codes. Anyways, we must post the gas price picture!
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2005-08-27, 4:43 PM #34
Originally posted by Elana14:
And I remember when people used to complain about my post all the times! H[/b]urray for the new guy! :p

(This does not open the flood gates.... anyone who "corrects" this post for spelling mistakes will be strapped to the back of a whale and marooned on a des[/b]erted island with out any cookies. N[/b]o, I'm not joking)


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the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2005-08-27, 4:47 PM #35
Oil is almost 70$ a barrel you know. If you force oil companies to charge less than is profitable they won't produce oil. Then we get nothing. Expensive > nothing any day.
2005-08-27, 5:37 PM #36
writes Wolfy's name down...
Laughing at my spelling herts my feelings. Well laughing is fine actully, but posting about it is not.
2005-08-27, 5:45 PM #37
The Wolfy becomes the prey!
2005-08-27, 11:00 PM #38
Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Oil is almost 70$ a barrel you know. If you force oil companies to charge less than is profitable they won't produce oil. Then we get nothing. Expensive > nothing any day.

I guess you didn't read everything I posted. I said put a price cap to where they can still make a profit but won't be able to gouge like they do now. Obviously, this cap is going to have to be changed from time to time in order to maintain that profit margin.
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2005-08-28, 6:59 AM #39
Originally posted by Elana14:
writes Wolfy's name down...


I'm waiting for my whale.
the idiot is the person who follows the idiot and your not following me your insulting me your following the path of a idiot so that makes you the idiot - LC Tusken
2005-08-28, 3:39 PM #40
Jedi I's formatting works perfectly on my PDA.
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