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I hate people
2005-08-30, 9:17 PM #1
I feel betrayed... I had been talking to this girl online for a few months, and after all this time she turns out to be a conspiracy theorist. I had suspected her of being one of those less intellectually-endowed people who think that space exploration is a waste of money, so I gave her a simple question to test her feelings on the subject... it all went downhill from there.

Quote:
Me: another hypothetical situation:
Me: you are now the president of the United States. you have a very importan budget decision to make. you have a total budget of one billion dollars to spend on cancer research and space exploration. do you:
a) give all of it to cancer research
b) give 500 million to each, or
c) give all of it to space exploration ?

Her: neither
Her: first of all, i believe there is already a cure for cancer

Me: you're completely avoiding the point of the question

Her: second of all, space exploration is a joke...because I don't believe man landed on the moon...and we could never live on marx

Me: fine, change it to AIDS research

Her: *mars
Her: no...maybe if i had to give it to AID other countries, id do that
Her: like debt forgiveness

Me: okay fine, you have a trillion with which you... wait, you don't believe man landed on the moon?
Me:
[censored] you really are a moron...

Her: excuse me?

Me: i mean.. seriously
Me: you can't honestly think that

Her: first off, i dont believe that they landed on the moon because a.) they would've done it again, b.) the russians would have done it too, and c.) you can't get all your info from one moon landing

Me: okay, you know how i can tell that you're seriously misinformed?
Me: let's have a quiz... i'll make it really easy... How many manned moon landings have there been, in total?
1) one
2) *SIX*
*hint* #2 is the correct answer
Me: anyways, hopefully the [censored] conspiracy theorists will be shut up soon; i think the James Webb space telescope will have the resolving power to see the landing sites and hardware
Me: of course it's not supposed to be launched until like 2011, so that means i have to endure 6 more years of "omg tehre werent no moon landing, no-sir-ee, i saw it on the INTARNETS so it must be TRUE"

Her: [censored] you

Me: seriously, give me any evidence you have that the moon landings never happened, and i'll show you why that evidence is wrong

Her: w/e

Me: well, i understand... wouldn't want to upset your delicate narrow-minded worldview... let's instead go back to the "cure for cancer" thing... you believe there is already a cure for cancer? that sure would have come in handy last year when my aunt died from it... are you just trying to be insensitive, or is there an actual reason why you believe this?


And that's where she went offline... probably by blocking me. Was I maybe too harsh by calling her a moron right at the beginning there? Everything I know about debating I learned at Massassi...
Stuff
2005-08-30, 9:21 PM #2
Space exploration, as it is now, is a god damn waste of money.

Instead of spending all this money to accomplish some seriously piddly bs, we should pool our resources and develop technology that can ACTUALLY take us somewhere.

Your elitism is unfounded, by the way. The need for space exploration (And all things pertaining to space for that matter) is a diverse subject much like religion. Which is what people fail to grasp. People are going to have different opinions, and of course the person on the other side is going to look stupid to you. Thats usually how opinions work.
2005-08-30, 9:23 PM #3
The Majestic 12 will get you! :mad:
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2005-08-30, 9:25 PM #4
Space exploration is a waste, but I do believe we landed on the moon.
2005-08-30, 9:25 PM #5
Incidentally, Rob, I agree with you. But surely you can say that the *concept* of space exploration is something that everyone should embrace... it's the "OMG WE NEED WORLD PEACH AND CURE FOR ALL TEH DIASISES BEFOER WE SHUD GO TO SPAEC" people that piss me off. But mostly it's the moon-landings-never-happened conspiracy-theorists that make me want to commit murder.
Stuff
2005-08-30, 9:49 PM #6
Originally posted by kyle90:
Incidentally, Rob, I agree with you. But surely you can say that the *concept* of space exploration is something that everyone should embrace... it's the "OMG WE NEED WORLD PEACH AND CURE FOR ALL TEH DIASISES BEFOER WE SHUD GO TO SPAEC" people that piss me off. But mostly it's the moon-landings-never-happened conspiracy-theorists that make me want to commit murder.



Well yes, lets focus on the betterment of mankind before wasting the money on what is now fruitless BS.
2005-08-30, 9:52 PM #7
How is it ever going to be anything better than fruitless BS if we don't waste money on it? New technology doesn't get developed for free, you know.
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2005-08-30, 10:02 PM #8
Man never landed on the moon!
Everyone of the moon-landers were women in disguise!!
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2005-08-30, 10:07 PM #9
I say we just get Terra Forming tech made and make Mars into another Earth to send people to.
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2005-08-30, 10:11 PM #10
Originally posted by kyle90:
How is it ever going to be anything better than fruitless BS if we don't waste money on it? New technology doesn't get developed for free, you know.



Solve your problems before you worry about the extras.

A cure for aids is going to be 11 times more beneficial to mankind than blowing up an asteroid just to make sure it's made of rock.
2005-08-30, 10:31 PM #11
I think that, though space travel and study is an extremely and perpetually exciting subject, it shouldn't come first. Man is overly ambitious.
2005-08-30, 11:05 PM #12
it's not like they are ignoring medical research to do this. Why can't they search for a cure for aids and do space travel at the same time? And don't say it's because of the money because shoveling huge amounts of money into aids research isn't necessarily going to accomplish anything. These things take time and knowledge, but people seem to think they can be fixed with money.

And you were right for calling her a moron, because she is. One of those little kids I hate so much who thinks everyone around them is a blind gullible fool and that they know all the answers that the government is evil and such. Only they don't know they are the gullible ones, lapping up every backwards conspiracy theory that some idiot suggests, and preaching it to their friends. Maybe your harsh treatment slapped some sense into her..she she bit her tongue after you disproved her bull****.
2005-08-30, 11:09 PM #13
I'dc just like to point out that regardless of the fact that you're well informed and mostly correct, you were so freakin' mean to her.
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2005-08-31, 12:04 AM #14
I vote that our space exploration efforts go into creating an Ark 'B', except maybe we should keep our telephone sanitizers.

Also, this
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And that's where she went offline... probably by blocking me.


reminded me much of this:
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2005-08-31, 12:55 AM #15
Originally posted by Rob:
Solve your problems before you worry about the extras.

A cure for aids is going to be 11 times more beneficial to mankind than blowing up an asteroid just to make sure it's made of rock.


Solving the AIDS crisis would increasethe population of the plaent, potentially setting up a situation where space exploration is might jsut be much more necessary.
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2005-08-31, 1:03 AM #16
We should turn Mars into a penal colony... but then we'd have another Australia on our hands.
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2005-08-31, 4:41 AM #17
Originally posted by Rob:
Space exploration, as it is now, is a god damn waste of money.

Instead of spending all this money to accomplish some seriously piddly bs, we should pool our resources and develop technology that can ACTUALLY take us somewhere.

Your elitism is unfounded, by the way. The need for space exploration (And all things pertaining to space for that matter) is a diverse subject much like religion. Which is what people fail to grasp. People are going to have different opinions, and of course the person on the other side is going to look stupid to you. Thats usually how opinions work.


... That's what we're doing. Rob, you argued this in another thread, and me and someone else destroyed you. It takes time for the space exploration program to flourish, time and research. That's what we're paying for.
D E A T H
2005-08-31, 5:44 AM #18
Originally posted by FastGamerr:
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2005-08-31, 6:20 AM #19
[QUOTE=Darth J]We should turn Mars into a penal colony... but then we'd have another Australia on our hands.[/QUOTE]

Then we'd have reality TV shows like Alien³: Survivor.
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2005-08-31, 7:15 AM #20
Wow, you acted like a complete ***. Instead of discussing it with her, you insult her and then shove it in her face. Yes, that is definitely going to get her to change her mind. She's the one that should feel betrayed.
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2005-08-31, 7:33 AM #21
Except that one cannot have an intelligent discussion with a conspiracy theorist. What I did... sure it was mean, but think of it as a pre-emptive strike. We would have ended up on the trading-insults level anyways; I merely hastened the process a bit.
Stuff
2005-08-31, 7:41 AM #22
Yeah, but while that's true that one cannot talk sense into a conspiracy theorist, you insulted her more than she did you, so if it came in terms of people taking sides based on who handled the argument better, she'd come out on top. I would have just changed the subject, because I've gotten into debates with people who think we did not land on the moon, and I would have loved to call them morons. But, if they're someone I enjoy talking to, I'll just change the subject so we don't end up flaming each other.
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2005-08-31, 7:45 AM #23
[QUOTE=Darth J]We should turn Mars into a penal colony... but then we'd have another Australia on our hands.[/QUOTE]

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2005-08-31, 8:19 AM #24
She deserved it.
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2005-08-31, 9:40 AM #25
I say we duct-tape kyle90's mouth shut for the next six years until this is no longer an argument. Who's with me?
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2005-08-31, 10:00 AM #26
Someone's not getting any.
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2005-08-31, 10:32 AM #27
Originally posted by Freelancer:
I say we duct-tape kyle90's mouth shut for the next six years until this is no longer an argument. Who's with me?


All in all, I do most of my talking with my fingers and a keyboard... and if you're suggesting that I not be allowed on my computer then YOU MUST DIE>>>

Anyways, heh... yeah I was kind of in a bad mood last night... I was probably a bit too harsh... but surely none of you would actually sympathize with SOMEONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE WE WENT TO THE MOON.
Stuff
2005-08-31, 11:25 AM #28
Originally posted by kyle90:
Her: second of all, space exploration is a joke...because I don't believe man landed on the moon...and we could never live on marx


Hmm. Red planet...Marx?

:em321:
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2005-08-31, 12:10 PM #29
Originally posted by kyle90:
Except that one cannot have an intelligent discussion with a conspiracy theorist. What I did... sure it was mean, but think of it as a pre-emptive strike. We would have ended up on the trading-insults level anyways; I merely hastened the process a bit.
*claps* Congratulations, that makes you a better person...somehow...I think...

So instead of simply dropping the subject you decide to insult her for no other reason than that she doesn't believe what you believe. Good job.
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2005-08-31, 12:16 PM #30
Oh please...Why the hell are you making this such a big deal? He never said it makes him a better person, simply that she is a moron which is true. She really is. Why should he change the subject? He clearly doesn't want to talk to someone as stupid as this girl clearly is. Is this was real life, I can understand how this would be really mean but it's the internet...get over it.
2005-08-31, 12:17 PM #31
The government pays for space exploration because it is ****ing awesome. Who doesn't hope to someday live on Mars or travel through hyperspace, which by-the-by is nothing like dusting crops?
2005-08-31, 12:20 PM #32
My problem is him acting like a victim. "I feel so betrayed." Yet it was he who attacked her, not the other way around. And just because someone has an opinion doesn't instantly open them up to attack. Well, it doesn't if you have even an ounce of class and civility. It's one thing to say "You're wrong." It's entirely different to say "You're a moron." And I mean besides the latter actually detracting from your argument.
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2005-08-31, 12:20 PM #33
Originally posted by Wolfy:
Hmm. Red planet...Marx?

:em321:


Exactly what I was thinking.

Then again, he is nice and bald...
2005-08-31, 12:39 PM #34
[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]... That's what we're doing. Rob, you argued this in another thread, and me and someone else destroyed you. It takes time for the space exploration program to flourish, time and research. That's what we're paying for.[/QUOTE]


You responded with something more akin to "OMG TEH PIDDLY BS IS IMPORTANT AND REQUIRED!" So I just let it be, because I wasn't going to argue with you because it's worse than arguing with bread thats as hard as a brick.
2005-08-31, 12:45 PM #35
[QUOTE=Kieran Horn]*claps* Congratulations, that makes you a better person...somehow...I think...

So instead of simply dropping the subject you decide to insult her for no other reason than that she doesn't believe what you believe. Good job.[/QUOTE]

It's not as simple as that. It takes a massive amount of ignorance to believe the moon landings were staged, whereas it takes a very tiny sliver of faith to believe we put men on the moon. You shouldn't casually say she believes something else than kyle, because that's misleading. She chose to believe in a fairy tale, while kyle subscribes to what will soon be, if not already, unequivocal fact.

It's not a simple matter of this girl believing in some theory with equal acceptance as kyle's theory, so by saying that kyle reacted the way he did for no other reason than a difference of opinion paints kyle in too harsh a light. It's not merely a 'difference of opinion' - what opinion? There's no opinion involved. This isn't one of those things people are allowed to have an opinion on. This is one of those things where you're right or you're wrong.

I think that gives kyle more of a license to react the way he did. If you don't - that's fine. I see where you're coming from.
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2005-08-31, 2:33 PM #36
Originally posted by Rob:
You responded with something more akin to "OMG TEH PIDDLY BS IS IMPORTANT AND REQUIRED!" So I just let it be, because I wasn't going to argue with you because it's worse than arguing with bread thats as hard as a brick.


If you call exploration of space which advances technology, knowledge, not to mention forces innovations for newer and more durable communications technologies (think, as we push the boundaries of our solar system we have to think of some way to transmit stuff wirelessly, which is where the big push in computer tech is right now) is piddly, sure, it's just piddly bs.
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2005-08-31, 3:09 PM #37
Trust me, with these moon conspiracy theorists there is no understanding. One of my friends watched that Fox special awhile back and immediately acted as if they were an expert on it.

One thing she constantly kept whining about was "but why don't they show us the rocket!" Nevermind the fact that a rocket that was actually planned to go to the moon was spread out on a lawn as a huge frickin display. I explained that to her, and she just shrugged it off.

While insults are pretty bad to resort to, sometimes it's the only thing you can say to them. Sometimes you just have to take away the sugar coating and tell them outright that it's bull.

I've found if you come in contact with a conspiracy theorist, just slowly back away (they have a hard time seeing you) and ignore them. At least, until Raid comes out with a repellant.
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2005-08-31, 3:14 PM #38
I've always kind of wondered how the conspiracy theorists explain the mirrors that they left on the moon. I mean, we've been using them for the last 40 years to measure various things such as the changes in distance between the earth and the moon. So, how did they get there if the astronauts didn't take them as NASA claims?
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2005-08-31, 3:18 PM #39
She said something baseless and stupid and got flamed as such. Her "opinion" is disrespectful to those who have studied for, invested in, traveled, and risked their lives while attempting and succeeding in landing on the moon. She got what she deserved.

Someone needs to round up these non-believers, strap them in a rocket, and crash them into the moon. Perhaps then they'll believe.
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2005-08-31, 3:51 PM #40
And their final words would be
"Aha! See? If you try and land on the moon you'll just die like thi-"
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