[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]Now theres a damn good casting job IMO.[/QUOTE]

I know, I really couldnt think of a better actor for that characther, at least in voice. The body build might be a bit wierd, but I imagine it should still be great.

The new Xmen doesnt have Gambit though, which sucks.

Grace doesn't strike me as Eddy Brock at all.

actually, no, he kinda does.



BUT... he could be in wolverine.

VENOM AND CARNAGE

Ok since you guys seem to be using the cartoons (which bastardized the comics, mind you) to try and figure it out, here is how it works.

Back in the mid-80s the Marvel Universe did a 12 part series called Secret Wars, which took place on an alien planet, where this guy with magic powers brought a bunch of good guys and bad guys. They did it in the end of the Spider-Man cartoon too.

Anyway, in issue 8 Spider-Man enters this room where the heroes were getting their costumes repaired. Instead he got this black costume that mimicks his thoughts. Unaware that it was organic, he brought it back to Earth, found out it was organic and got rid of it.

Eddie Brock was just fired from his job at the Daily Globe (NOT the paper Spidey works for). He was in a church when Spider-Man ditched the costume on the roof (using the bells) and the costume went down and bonded with him.

While Venom was in jail, the suit eventually returned to him. However, the suit must reproduce, and does so asexually. The suit has no bonding attachments to the reproduction.

This "child" then bonded with a psychotic killer that Venon was sharing his cell with, and that became Carnage. Hence when people say "Carnage is the son of Venom" they mean it merely by the costumes. The red suit of Carnage is the offspring of the black suit of Venom.

Years later, Carnage then had a "child" with his suit, and it bonded with a NY cop, and he became a good guy named Toxic.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Am I like the only one who had been hoping that Thomas Hayden Church would maybe be Mysterio?

Comics start to bastardize themselves, so they start all over again.

Wolfy, :p

Anyhoo, what I think would probably work well for the Venom in this movie is an "Ultimate" style creation. In the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, Venom's suit was something created by Spidey's dad as a cure for cancer, using his DNA as the base (Good story, crappy ending). Might transfer reasonably well in the movie.

No. But I could also do with never seeing Thomas Hayden Church ever again. Sideways was scarring in ways I don't want to explain.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

That'd have to be two the worse choices for Venom and Sandman ever!

HAHAHAHAHA Eric and Ned (Whom will forever be burnt into my mind as the guy from George of the Jungle) HAHAHAHAHA. They'll probably cast Kermit the frog as the Lizard and Miss Piggy as the Kingpin.

Um...Anyone that puts enough time and diet and exercise in the gym lifting weights can gain a vast ammount of muscle in 2 years time. Even 1 years time could show a great improvement.

Why? They already got Michael Clark Duncan as the Kingpin, and the Lizard would have to be a CGI character, cause having a guy run around in a lizard costume would be ghey.

http://www.miramax.com/venom/

-At first I just thought it was a coincidence, but it looks like one guy is being pulled out a window by some kind of tentacle. Any thoughts?

well, that guy looks like a zombie, or jason without his mask on. not like crazyface venom. and that "tentacle" is probably just a rope.

The trailer was a little disjointed and unintelligible, but (other than the tentacle/window scene) it looked like some weird sentient zombie that throws hooks at people. Maybe the actual movie or later trailers will include, I don't know, a plot?

The comics with Venom were initially cool, but then he started to appear everywhere to milk his popularity in a way similar to what has been and still is being done with Wolverine. There was even a miniseries where (I think) the plot was that Venom is feeling repentant and goes on a spree solving crimes in an almost Batman fashion, but bloodier.

I did like the Maximum Carnage story arc though, in that one Carnage has like 10 baby symbiotes and they all go after Venom/Spidey so they have to team up to stop them. They all had their cute little names of course, none of which I can remember. :/

If anyone has read Earth X though, that's my favorite appearance of Venom. Peter Parker is in his mid-late 50s, totally out of shape (as the Thing put it, he was "bit by a radioactive spare tire") and he's arguing with his now adult daughter about her relationship choices. He can't believe she's bonding with the Venom symbiote.

Back to the original discussion, I agree that the casting choices seem bad. At first I didn't like Toby, but he proved himself pretty well I think, even if he isn't quite as rugged as the comic Parker of the 70s-present... early Parker looked like a total wimpy nerd, Toby nailed that. So we'll see what can be done with these new people.

yep...
http://spiderfan.org/characters/carnage.html

Not enough for Topher Grace to look anything like Eddy Brock, in terms of bulk.

Indeed. In the comics, Harry Osborne was the second green goblin, not any of the the hobgoblins.

so much for continuity-- I expected better out of Marvel, consisdering that they made the damn comics to begin with and they are not even being true to their own storyline.

Yup. He could get completely ripped muscles but he will still be quite small in terms of bulk. He's a smaller guy...it has alot to do with bone structure too.

And plus I doubt he has a whole lot of time to devote to exercise.

It's not "Raimi or whoever" it's SAM ****ING RAIMI. That name is God.

Boomstick, Boomstick LOL

YOu know who has the right look is Brock Lesnar, formerly of the WWE. Of course, I don't know about the acting, but it wouldn't be much of a stretch.

You guys must all understand that hollywood casting directors know what they're doing. Have they ever really failed us before? I mean honestly. They're not idiots. I'm sure they've got a plan. I've heard of guys gaining 60-70 pounds for roles before. Remember Will Smith in Ali?

Skinny guys can bulk up. I have no doubt that it will be pulled off to perfection. I care not who the casting is. All I care about is that they chose Venom. Venom rocks hard like a war machine.

ok, I'm not buying this article for a second untill I see some OTHER evidence.... it sounds too made up.

first off, they can't just simply introduce venom into a movie.. you'd need far too much set up... first we woul dhave to get the alien symbiot some how, then it would have to get on spidey for a little while, so it could absorb some of his DNA to give to brock so that he has the spider powers... this would probably have to take span over 2 seperate movies...

The way it COULD work is as follows...

Spidey gets the black suit at the beginning of this film... Eddie Brock is introduced... (as topher) and they would start to show reasons for him got get mad at spiderman. then toward the end of 3, Topher gets the suit, and they hold off on brock actually being Venom till the 4th...

and I don't think Raimi would be stupid enough to make harry osborn into hobgoblin instead of the green goblin.. some of these comicbook nerds get rather upset when things don't go as they should... there might be some attepmts on his life..

Half of the Fantasitc 4 was micast, and it wasn't Michael Chiklas or Chris Evans.

BTW THRAWN, i've heard of the secret wars and everything, and was aware of everything up until "TOXIC".. WTF is that? and I don't recall what the deal was with the "parts of the symboit" how there is the "scream" girl one who is yellow and red (she is in the spiderman ride)...e-mail me sometime or PM me, so we can discuss this.. or post it here so people can get more knoledge on this awesome subject.

oh, and BTW... R.C.Everbeck was already cast as Eddie Brock in the first Spiderman movie.. his scene was just cut.. I don't think they would cast someone different for no reason..

All the time.
Truth be told, Marvel comicbook-to-movie adaptions haven't been good period

Hey thrAWN... i just looked it up.. I think the guy's name is "TOXIN" not "TOXIC"

Yes, I know it sucks.

[QUOTE=Vincent Valentine]Who cares? X-Men 3 is coming out next May.[/QUOTE]

Sadly that is being raped through it's wazoo by the new director.

I'll just wait for the sequel to Batman Begins.

Btw, Venom makes some sense for Spider-Man 3. In Spidey 2 we had Jameson's astronaut son who had been on the moon (he mentioned he was "back on the moon" after MJ kissed him), so the symbiote coming back with astronauts makes sense. I doubt they would do the scene from the series though with the shuttle crash landing on a bridge in New York.

The casting is definitely messed up though. I think the guy casted for Sandman isn't too bad, but the Venom casting...wow, just horrid. They should get someone like Ron Perlman.

I dont know how big Eddie Brock is, so I can't speak on if Topher Grace could get that much bulk , but since you guys are the comic book readers, I'll agree with you anyways.

I think Thomas Hayden Church would make a better Shocker or Scorpion in my opinion. As far as Topher Grace? He could be a Mysterio or a Chameleon. And I think Brock Lesner would make a better Rhino than an Eddie Brock. Just a thought. Eddie was muscular, but not steriod pumped. A good Eddie Brock..? Not sure.


Also for those that do not know about the Goblins that well, here they are :

Green Goblin I and II: Norman and Harry Osborn
Green Goblin III: Chameleon ( Not sure if this happened in a comic, but it did happen in a book.)
Green Goblin IV: Phil Urich (Ben Urich's (Reporter from Daredevil) Nephew
Hobgoblin I: Rodrick Kingsley
Hobgoblin II: A brainwashed Ned Leeds
Hobgoblin III: Jason Macendale (aka Jack O' Lantern)
Demogoblin: Exorcised from the possessed Jason Macendale

Also, for Spiral and Thrawn, the new Symbiot is named Toxin. It was in a 5 part comic series launched within the past 4 years. Not that bad, I might add. Supposed to pilot the new Toxin comic due to come out.

Dang. I was hoping for Vin Diesel as Venom, and Mark Hamill as Hobgoblin.

Vin Diesel can NOT act.

I beg to differ. Riddick and Chris.

XXX and The Pacifier.

XXX wasn't that bad, just gimmicky. But bad movies do not a bad actor make.

Vin doesn't seem like the kind of guy they'd get for this kind of movie, but he would fit.
Do you think they'll manage to fit Bruce back into this one? I imagine they could come up with a character for him.

-What exactly would you call the sequel to Batman Begins? Batman: Again?

Batman: Ends, but Lives To Fight Another Day Because he's Extreme.