Temp's opinion in the matter shows ignorance on the powers of the VP of the United States, and disaster relief efforts by the US, in general. He's just picking on Cheney because he doesn't like him.

I see no "****ting" going on in this thread...yet. Just discussing viewpoints.

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Anyway,

I wish I had the guts and oppourtunity to say something like that to the vice president. It wouldn't get anybody anywhere or change a thing, but protest is liberating.

Are you talking about protesting or insulting? Seriously. Did I miss something here.

You wished you insulted the vice president on national TV?

It's protest. Protest isn't neccessarily meaningful; I doubt that the man telling the vice president to **** off has nearly as much of a grudge for him personally as he does for the administration of which he is a part.

Again, I don't think its meaningful, but the confidence that Mr. Cheney had during the 2004 Campaign... They were insistent that they were going to win, and ultimately they did. But after that, anything to help make them realize that their decline in popularity is real and not just a poll, even if it only made any of them feel doubt for just a moment... hell, I'd want to be the man to give them that.

I'm not going to say its mature, or anything. It is just about as childish as you can get, but again there is something about protest that is liberating in an almost spiritual way.

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So very very true. Even if someone had had the same opinion, which wasn't voiced until you guys started flaming him, the poster wouldn't get nearly this much crap.

Also, who cares about this? It's not that bad at all...And to be nitpicky, he never INSULTED Mr. Cheney at all. He mearly told him to "go **** himself" which only implies the fact that he is a heartless (rofl) asexual jackass.

I crap on whatever thread needs it.

You should crap on yourself...if only that were a possiblity. Btw...who were you...before? I have the feeling you are someone from waaaay back that I would remember. Rob X?

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]So very very true. Even if someone had had the same opinion, which wasn't voiced until you guys started flaming him, the poster wouldn't get nearly this much crap. [/QUOTE]

I dont even know who Tempermental is, but I still disagree with him. So stop saying "dont pick on me just because its me" because that is stupid. just cause you cant win an argument doesnt mean you have to whine. All in all, I dont really care about this in the end, and your question of "who really cares about this?" points to Temp because he posted the topic!!

Whoa buddy...uncalled for. **** OFF. Don't pick on me because it's me? Am I talking about ME? JJust because I can't win an argument? What the **** are you talking about?? Like I said, **** off, and I really mean that.

Sorry it's early and I'm still slightly drunk but that really pissed me off.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]You should crap on yourself...if only that were a possiblity. ?[/QUOTE]

That's one of those things, isn't it?

-can't lick your elbows
-can't crap on yourself
-more?


Edit: ignore that. I just visualised a way for the second item to be possible. Ain't a pretty sight.

theres nothing wrong with telling anyone to **** off, its just a person, stop whining over nothing on the internet, its dumb, every point on this thread so far has tripled its stupidity because you all care to such a massive degree as to what one person thinks.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]You should crap on yourself...if only that were a possiblity. Btw...who were you...before? I have the feeling you are someone from waaaay back that I would remember. Rob X?[/QUOTE]


That fool besmirched the good name of Rob.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]Whoa buddy...uncalled for. **** OFF. Don't pick on me because it's me? Am I talking about ME? JJust because I can't win an argument? What the **** are you talking about?? Like I said, **** off, and I really mean that.

Sorry it's early and I'm still slightly drunk but that really pissed me off.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I bet you're going to feel like an *** when you read that sober. :p

I'm posting my opinion. Temp's opinion is always vastly different from mine (and yes, it is an insult) because he's some super liberal conspiracy theorist. I'm liberal, but I'm quite moderate, and economically I'm very conservative. Our views clash. Deal.

I'm no conspiracy theorist.

I just prefer to keep an open mind.


Whoa guys, calm down. I didn't mean for all this bickering to happen by this topic. I'm sorry I posted it.

I used to have an open mind, then things started to fall out.

So many times during this thread I've been reminded of Detty's "useless" thread. Overall, I don't really care that somebody yelled a profanity at Cheney. He's a big boy. He can take it. Just makes the guy that yelled it look like an ***. No big deal. Move on. Nothing to see here.

Well that was kind of the point of the thread dude...

That.. you shouldn't be proud of looking like an ***.

Actually wasn't Temp's point of this thread the opposite of that? He thought it was funny and a good thing.

All this crap made me forget what the topic was originally about.

I think it was something about Mr Cheney and a hurricane, so I'll just comment on that.

I think the reason people got so angry with everyone else was because of the seemingly slow response to the hurricane. Now, I haven't researched it to any great depth, but it seems to me like they saw the hurricane coming and sent all of their rescue vehicles and stuff out of the way of the hurricane. Makes sense if you think about it because, sure, they can't do anything 500 miles away, but at least they can return to help at some point. If they'd just been left in New Orleans to help people, the hurricane would have torn them to bits and there wouldn't be any sort of rescue effort at all.

The rescue vehicles being so far away means it's gonna take some time for them to get back to New Orleans. Then, in the heat of the moment, all these people get the wrong end of the stick, jump to conclusions and start screaming about how no-one's coming to help them and no-one cares and before you know it, it's less about all these people suffering in the wake of some disaster and more about a Bush whacking contest.

Sure, some people haven't been as helpful as they probably could have been, but blaming them is just clouding the real reasons for a slow response.


Like I said, I haven't looked into it that deeply, but that's the way it seems to me.

No, a lot of the vehicles had been sent to Iraq long before the hurricane was even a thunderstorm off the coast. They saw it coming, and they had a plan of action, but that plan of action failed on local, state, and federal levels for various reasons. It wasn't anyone's fault it took so long, except maybe the governor. The Mayor actually WAS quite complacent, begging for help throughout the ordeal while the governor forbid it.

Kaishain, I think you have a really good, common sense understanding of the issue. There is blame to be laid on all levels of government but many have turned this into an opportunity to blame Bush which, to me, seems assinine.

DJ, you really think rescue equipment was in Iraq? Why?

I'm just skimming the thread, but it seems like nobody is seeing the irony here.

Please tell me I'm wrong. >.<

They'll figure it out.

My point was more that politicians are mostly known as liars, and only out for their own good aside from their country. Very rarely do politicians come along that actually make a good impact and image. Abe Lincoln for example was oneofthem. George W Bush, is not. Neither is Dick Cheney. My point was that finally, someone has the guts to tell a politician what the minds ofmany people have wanted to speak for so long.

I don't know one person here in Canada that wouldn't like to walk up to one of our liberal government officials and punch them out, let alone simply tell them to **** themselve's.

Every morning on the way to school I listen to NPR for about 30-35 minutes. They've had quite a few pieces on how there wasn't enough vehicles for rescuing people in the conditions because a lot of them had been sent to Iraq.

Temp--you do know Abe Lincoln did NOT want to free the slaves right? He did it to force the South's hand. I dunno, he's not that great of a guy when you look into it. He was kind of a coward and a bigot.

Regardless, your last post shows that you ARE a conspiracy theorist.

I wasn't talking about Abe Lincoln on what he did, more the image that he has of himself in the USA. You guys usually describe him as one of the best president's ever, blah blah all this and all that. His image. Whatever he did, he doesn't have the stereotypical view on him that we do of a politician's today. That's what I meant. I fail to see how that makes me a conspiracy theorist, but ok.

If you view all politicians as corrupt and evil, then nothing good they do will ever show, only the bad. For instance, Bush may have saved many national forests, he kept our economy from collapse, and he's cut down on illegal immigration. He's also had some very lame foreign policies, some fairly bad domestic policies, and has passed a few laws limiting the freedoms of the people. He's done both bad and good. He's nowhere near our worst president ever *cough*JOHNSON*cough*

I'd say our best president was probably Thomas Jefferson.

Eisenhower power!

However, if you look back at other president's, history views them differently then the people do at that time.

For instance, FDR had many many haters. They were even threatening to impeach him for his support in sending supplies and the equipment to Britain to help fight Germany. Lots of people felt he was dragging them into a war.

Now, in hindsight, most view that he recognized it as a problem before lots of the public did - and very few history books talk about the public's opinion of him

That will be Bush's true testament. Not what people think of him now, but how people view his presidentcy in 40 years.

Him, John Quincy Adams, Teddy Roosevelt, and I think Kennedy would have made a good president had he been alive longer.

There's no irony. I have to assume you guys are referring to Cheney telling Leahy to f himself, which was already referred to in this thread. Two men having a heated conversation and Cheney gotpissed and dropped the f-bomb. Nothing ironic about some moron insulting Cheney for no apparent reason, other than disliking him, on live TV.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Every morning on the way to school I listen to NPR for about 30-35 minutes. They've had quite a few pieces on how there wasn't enough vehicles for rescuing people in the conditions because a lot of them had been sent to Iraq.[/QUOTE]

I'd heard the same type of stuff but I didn't think you would believe it. It really doesn't make much sense. Sure, there are a lot of forces and equipment in Iraq but it's really only a slight percentage of the total force. Plus, Louisianna is the only place that experienced these problems due to the local mismanagement.

Possibly. But he could just as well be a Johnson as a Roosevelt.

Well I hate Roosevelt anyways. So nyah

But yes, I often wonder if what Bush is doing now will be praised or shot down in the future. I guess only a few decades' worth of time will tell.

Heh... apparently the guy got arrested.

Teddy Roosevelt always comes to my mind forst because of all he did to set up the National Park system, National Forests, and so on, but that's what I study.

[QUOTE=Mr. Stafford]theres nothing wrong with telling anyone to **** off, its just a person, stop whining over nothing on the internet, its dumb, every point on this thread so far has tripled its stupidity because you all care to such a massive degree as to what one person thinks.[/QUOTE]

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