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Thank you Mr. President
2005-09-13, 11:23 PM #41
is it just me or is anyone else bothered bny the fact that everyone only seems interested in looking for someone to blame? Shouldn't we just fix the freakin problem and bne done with it? Right.. It's Bush's fault that a hurricane wiped out Luisiana.

:rolleyes:

Whatever. In my opinion, we should be focusing on fixing the problem, rather than blaming someone for it.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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2005-09-13, 11:52 PM #42
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Right.. It's Bush's fault that a hurricane wiped out Luisiana.

:rolleyes:

Whatever. In my opinion, we should be focusing on fixing the problem, rather than blaming someone for it.



Hey drunky, no one said he caused it. Stop being annoying. He took blame for the federal response. Get with the program.
In Tribute to Adam Sliger. Rest in Peace

10/7/85 - 12/9/03
2005-09-13, 11:53 PM #43
eh, whatever. I'll post a coherent response tomorrow. :p

Love you, Ubuu.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2005-09-13, 11:54 PM #44
Go eat some bread, Mr. Wasted.
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10/7/85 - 12/9/03
2005-09-13, 11:58 PM #45
Screw it, I'll post a coherent response tonight... (I think)

My point, Ubuu, is that it seems like we're a bit callous to be immediately focusing, not on what's being done now on the crisis, but on who's to blame for the lack of response. It seems to me, that the media ought to be focusing more on orginazations like the Red Cross, who are responding to the situation, in spite of great cost to themselves to help those in need, rather than saying that so and so didn't do what they should have done, or this orginization didn't recognize the potential disaster...

There'll be plenty of time to focus on who's to blame for the poor response later.. Right now, why don't we just try and make sure that as many people as possible are protected from further danger or discomfort.

(And I thought about this before I was drunk, I'm just parroting it now... I'll try and defend it later. And I still love you.)
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Lassev: I guess there was something captivating in savagery, because I liked it.
2005-09-14, 12:35 AM #46
Tenshu: You can't really put much weight in National Guard being deployed elseware. Yes, they could have helped. If they were deployed in a peace keeping mission for the UN or a declared war, no would would be bringing it up. Besides, the NG is under the control of the governor of the given state barring them being called to regular service, so it's not like the president could do anything with them anyway.
Pissed Off?
2005-09-14, 7:45 AM #47
Is it just me or does Tenshu's mystery source sound like it came off the back of a cereal box?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-09-14, 7:49 AM #48
Originally posted by Hombre:
Taking the blame does not necessarily equate to being at fault.

It's called leadership. The buck stops here. Just like in any organization, when problems arise, no matter who is at fault, the leader is the person who is taken responsible.


Yeah, Bush can't be pinned completely for the horrible response to the tragedy. I put more fault on FEMA and the LA state government.
2005-09-14, 10:40 AM #49
Comments in bold within the quote:

Originally posted by Tenshu:
wth dude...


President: Nixon

Danger: Category-5 Hurricane Camille (August 1969)

Area: About the same area as that affected by Katrina


Response: Nixon prepared the National Guard in advance, ordering rescue
ships from Tampa, FL and Houston, TX to stand waiting along with over a
thousand regular military, 24+ helicopters to assist the Coast Guard
and National Guard about as soon as the hurricane passed.


>Interesting. What state was Nixon the governor of? Oh, that's right, he wasn't. Governors mobilize the National Guard, not Presidents. At least not when they're acting lawfully anyway.



President: Bush the Elder

Danger: Hurricane Andrew (August 92)

Area: Florida


Response: In the middle of a re-election campaign, Bush ceased
campaigning the day before the hurricane, went to Washington, and
assembled one of the largest military forces ever mustered on U.S.
soil. Seven thousand National Guard and 22,000 regular military were
sent in with the necessary equipment shortly after the hurricane passed
through.

>Sure. Louisianna is the only state to have this problem. Every other state seems to have no problem mobilizing their Guard and requesting and allowing a federal response. Federal agencies don't have jurisdiction until the state authorizes them.


President: Clinton

Danger: Category-3 Hurricane Floyd (September 1999)

Area: Virginia and Carolinas


Response: Meeting with China's president Jiang in New Zealand, Clinton
immediately declared the hurricane-affected areas as federal disasters,
allowing the military and National Guard to move in and help. Clinton
flew home immediately, one day before the hurricane hit, to help
coordinate the rescue.

>Yeah, and? Louisianna was declared a disaster area before Katrina hit but that declaration doesn't allow the military or guard to do anything. Once again the state. With democrats running that state, it almost makes me wonder if they intentionally botched their responsibilities to score political points against Bush. Sure seems like it due to the ignorant, deceitful response by democrat politicians and their media lackeys


President: Bush the Lesser

Danger: Category-5 Hurricane Katrina (August 2005)

Area: Gulf Coast


Response: National Guard troops are down about 8,000 members because
they are in Iraq with much of the necessary rescue equipment needed.
Bush was on vacation, riding his bike for two hours the day before the
hurricane lands. On the day Katrina landed, Bush attended a birthday
party for John McCain. The levees began to crack. While emergency
1.5-ton sandbags were ready to be placed to steady the levee and absorb
water, there were insufficient numbers of helicopters and pilots to set
them before the levees break. Nagin, the mayor of NO (who is an incompetent fool), pleaded for
federal-level assistance and got none. Bush went to San Diego to play
guitar with a country singer and end his vacation early -- but not
until the next day, because he had tickets to a San Diego Padres game.

>No response warranted other than to point out that out of a total military force of about 2 million the argument that we didn't have the man power or equipment in the states is infantile

China successfully evacuated 790,000 people in the first week of September because of Typhoon Talim. You *seriously* aren't going to put *all* the blame on a mayor who for some reason stopped the heroic federal aid or something.

>Too bad republicans didn't follow through on their plans to move poor black people to China. And I haven't said anything about putting all the blame on the mayor. I would put most of it on the governor where it belongs.

-Bush wasn't an authority (he was chillin out) so he should've legally assigned authority to a few people in field who can take charge and actually get **** done.
-FEMA and homeland security are a joke
-Vacation is *not* a priority in situations like this. I remember our prime minister interrupting his one week in a year vacation because of some minor legal issues, and I was thinking 'Guy, don't do this to yourself buddy! You can fix it later, just lay back while you can dude'. This is a ****ing *hurricane*. He already had his months and months of vacation. Time to take action, dipsheeiit.
-Northern Command was ready to go in, but they had to wait for the "president's" go-signal, which never came because it's hard to give orders when your mouth's full of pie.

>"blah, blah, rhetoric, blah" Oh, and FEMA isn't a first response organization. They assist states that don't fight them in disaster management and pay people off for their ignorance. It might be a joke but for different reasons than you believe.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2005-09-14, 6:02 PM #50
Originally posted by JDKNITE188:
Yeah, Bush can't be pinned completely for the horrible response to the tragedy. I put more fault on FEMA and the LA state government.

What are you talking about? Didn't you know that Bush single handedly controls every facet of the government with a hugely complex supercomputer?


At least thats what some people seem to believe, or want to believe. Everyone loves a scapegoat.
2005-09-14, 6:19 PM #51
FEMA is a federal agency, and technically he DID take responsibility for their faults. I still don't blame it on him though. I blame it on the lack of preparedness for something like this. And it doesn't matter where Bush was during the hurricane. I know first hand that almost EVERY decision in a business can be made via cell phone, albeit it has to be a very large amount of cell phone usage, it's still possible. My uncle literally ran a business on vacations by bringing his cell phone and other materials needed for reference with him. I imagine it wouldn't be that much harder with Bush. I really think that people underestimate how INSTANT communication is nowadays.
D E A T H
2005-09-14, 6:28 PM #52
So what if communication is instant. That doesn't mean they are ready for deployment.
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2005-09-14, 6:28 PM #53
Who's ready for deployment...what?
D E A T H
2005-09-14, 6:30 PM #54
Originally posted by Echoman:
So what if communication is instant. That doesn't mean they are ready for deployment.


This argument is going around in circles. The fact is the deployment of damn near everything hinged on the LA governor. Guess Bush should have deposed her.
"I would rather claim to be an uneducated man than be mal-educated and claim to be otherwise." - Wookie 03:16

2005-09-14, 6:31 PM #55
Originally posted by Wookie06:
This argument is going around in circles. The fact is the deployment of damn near everything hinged on the LA governor. Guess Bush should have deposed her.


Or disposed of her :O
2005-09-14, 7:04 PM #56
http://kerrystopshurricane.ytmnd.com/

So true... :(
D E A T H
2005-09-14, 7:05 PM #57
Originally posted by Yosh:
http://kerrystopshurricane.ytmnd.com/

So true... :(


ROFL!
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-09-14, 7:44 PM #58
You people and your ****ing partisanship disgust me.

Are you INCAPABLE of seeing more than one side of an issue? God DAMN it, I'm starting to think that republicans and democrats live in seperate realities.
2005-09-14, 7:46 PM #59
Originally posted by Warlord:
You people and your ****ing partisanship disgust me.

Are you INCAPABLE of seeing more than one side of an issue? God DAMN it, I'm starting to think that republicans and democrats live in seperate realities.


Hahahhahahah.
D E A T H
2005-09-14, 8:38 PM #60
Originally posted by Warlord:
You people and your ****ing partisanship disgust me.

Are you INCAPABLE of seeing more than one side of an issue? God DAMN it, I'm starting to think that republicans and democrats live in seperate realities.


Uhm, what? What spurred this outburst?
"it is time to get a credit card to complete my financial independance" — Tibby, Aug. 2009
2005-09-14, 10:01 PM #61
Originally posted by Freelancer:
Uhm, what? What spurred this outburst?


His grandmother spit in his Cocoa Pebbles.
"Those ****ing amateurs... You left your dog, you idiots!"
2005-09-15, 8:48 AM #62
Bush: "Clatto...Verata...Nic*coughchoke*............Ok....that's it...I said the words!"

*massive hurricane starts forming in the ocean*
2005-09-15, 9:04 AM #63
Okay, I know this was mentioned last page, but I'm going to comment on it since military tactics are more interesting than bush. :p

Quote:
Standard US Military doctrine is that we fight with 3 to 1 odds.
If we can't get 3 to 1 we generaly won't fight.
Not that we couldn't take on almost any other army with the odds reversed but, when we have 3 to 1 victory is virtualy assured.
The army always want's more people to be able to keep that ratio.
That is Schwartzkopf doctrine. Tommy Franks changed it. Basically, Franks' doctrine was not to have overwhelming numbers, but to have overwhelming power. The way he achieved overwhelming power is through mobility. Speed multiplies a unit's power. So instead of one large cumbersome force, you have several small mobile forces. Which, as soon as all the other countries catch up in precision guided munitions technology, will be the only real way to wage war since having large WWII style armies will lead to massive casualties. Think of it this way. Schwartzkopf's doctrine was like a big hammer slamming against the enemy. Franks' doctrine is using smaller hammers with spikes(chisels, or whatever it is they're called. The thing you hammer into a piece of rock and make it split) at various points. If you look at the invasion of Iraq, you'll see that numbers are by no means everything. The coalition force was greatly outnumbered, but they still rolled over the Iraqi forces in record time. This is due both to technology and Franks' doctrine
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