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the dumbest things like war?

No, the dumbest thing like her son making the choice of his own.

but since he willingly joined the army and knew that there was a risk of war, does that mean that invading Iraq was the right thing to do, or even a good descision (even if morally right)

You are overlooking the point though. This woman is pissed off cause her SON DIED because he fought a "war" that she believes is not right. This woman, I guran****ingtee this woman would NOT have been standing outside the White House had it not of been for her son.

This woman is doing all this because she refuses to cut the umbilical cord and realize HER SON joined the military knowing that at any given time he might die. Had he of died in Afgahnistan or hell, I'd say on June 6th, 1944 this woman would do the same thing. She is doing it because she will not grow up and realize her son was an adult and capable of making his own decisions.

She is doing this for her son and her personal gain. Her God damn husband divorced her. WTF does that show you about her sanity?

I'd suggest a certain course of action to be done with this, but I don't think we need a martyr to join the hippies :p

well as you said she believes it is not right, therefore she is standing for what she believes in, and you're right she probably wouldnt have been standing outside the White House otherwise, but that doesnt make it wrong for her to have motivation

under this argument you could say (as Maddox once said joklingly I hope) that Christopher Reeves was only fianicing stem cell research and other forms of research because he was paralized.

the above statement is probably true but that doesnt mean he shouldn't have done it because it affected him.



you're right but apparently she disagreed with it, and as I said earlier, just because he joined the military doesnt mean he thought the war was justified either.

she obviously cared about her son so wether he made the descision or not doesnt take away her passion for the subject



of course shes doing it for her son, arent your offspring the people you care about most?

but I dont know about personal gain, but I do agree she does seem a little extreem in her methods and her argument doesnt seem to valid

The war in Iraq being justified in regards to this particular argument is moot.

The woman is an idiot. If she didn't want her son to go into the army and possibly die, she should have done him in herself.

Yeah. Whether the war is justified or not doesn't really apply in this case. When you join the military, you are willing to put your life on the line when called to do so.

My thoughts on the matter:

* She is not an idiot. My guess is she is doing this because she hasn't come to grips with the death of her son. Once she does, I think she will settle down.

* I also think we shouldn't be so quick to judge her as an attention-grabbing drama queen. The way she's chosen to grieve for her son has the side effect of attracting media.

* Third, I think some people are downplaying protesting too much. I have no reason to believe protest isn't as effective today as it was in the 60's. Why do you think so, Emon?

* Fourth, I'm surprised no one picked up on this: the reason why Sheehan and others were arrested. I find it disconcerting that one needs a permit in order to protest. To me, that's one step away from making protest illegal altogether. Making a permit to protest required adds unnecessary red tape that prevents a section of the community from protesting legally.

When she went to Texas to "try" and meet with Bush again, she admitted to reported she didn't want to meet with him, because that would end her publicity stunt.

A well-written letter to your representatives WILL do a lot more than protesting...because protesting is childish. People do it in childish ways, which cause it to get broken up. Standing in the middle of the road, impeding traffic, the flow of daily life just so they can be heard. Write your news stations, if nothing else, and tell them you have a story of a protest. They'll try to work you in or something most likely, as long as it's not a small insignificant detail. I mean, really, peaceful, organized protests do usually work, but the kind that go on today that people are so fond of usually just get broken up and end in crap.

TSM--The son chose to live the life he did. He chose to accept the president's choices of sending him where, when, he chose to live dangerously, he chose the path that lead to his death. That doesn't mean he agreed with Bush, or that makes Bush's decisions right in my mind, but the fact that the man accepted it means that he obviously wasn't averse to Bush's decisions.

... Reeves was known for his money grubbing and self centeredness before his accident. These character flaws are suddenly 'compassion for disabilities' when he spends money on it. Take it from a 3 foot tall person who has had portions of his life with imparement, and the overtone that if my neck is moved too far in one direction, I WILL be a parapalegic. A number of people from the parapalegic community REALLY dislike reeves for his very self centered research foundation.

Anyway, Sheehan is like a 4th grader angry because she didn't get soup on soup day. She pouts and whines and thinks she's going to protest her son's freaking death. I say we instate the "Be a president for a day" act and see how she does.

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Shintock, how long have you been a member here?!

4 and a half years, I reckon.

Her son knew full well WHEN HE SIGNED UP HE MIGHT DIE. Regardless if he thought the war was justified or not is also besides the point. When I was younger, I wanted to join the military. Not for the uniform, not for the girls it might attract, but because I wanted to. I knew full well at any given time I might die, either in combat or in training. I can't join though, sadly due to a spinal disorder.

Next, if she was not doing this for a publicity stunt, she would not go to the frigigng White House. She could write the President. My cousin wrote to the President of the United States of America and got a response from the office. Maybe not Bush himself, but someone important read it, actually read it because in the letter back to him, the writer mentioned things my cousin had written. If this woman wants an answer, write to him. She is doing this for her personal gain, nothing more.

Stop posting the same thing over and over. We get it. We still think your talking pure garbage.

[QUOTE=Victor Van Dort]Stop posting the same thing over and over. We get it. We still think your talking pure garbage.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you stay out of my thread if you have a problem?

He's posting it because it's right.

Well if you think that, then so be it, I don't care what you think. I will continue to post it if I feel like it.

"omg im right and all you guys are stupid for not agreeing with me and i dont care what you think because im right wraaaa"

Grow up. This from a guy who posted a dog with a fake p<genki>s.

At no time did I say "wahh I'm right and you are stupid" I merely said that I could care less what you think. Apparently you seem to be the one to whine by pointing out and putting words in my mouth.

If you just up and have a big protest, a lot of bad things can happen, like uncontrolled rioting, damage to property, serious injuries, and so on. Filing a permit allows the local government to prepare by allocation police and emergency services accordingly so there is less chance of rioting, damage to property and serious injuries.

If you want change in this country you're ****ed... Unless its something that anyone rational can agree with -- like women have the right to vote or black people have the right to not be lynched -- you're ****ed.

In your town or in your county, maybe if its a different story... But otherwise, you're ****ed.

And this is who we call the winner at life. As long as you like bending over and taking it from the man, that is.

I went to the whitehouse once. There was a guy in a little tent camped out across the street, and when I talked to him he was protesting lies and wars.
The newspaper clippings surrounding him were about Chernobyll and Hiroshima. etc.

I encouraged him to keep doing what he was doing.

Protesting is fine, but my personal feelings would never lead me to protest against the war in Iraq. Thus, I have a lovely right to disagree with some of the protestors out there. It is America.

I've actually heard about that guy I think, if its the same one then hes been doing it since vietnam

huh?