I got my iMac G5 today.

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That sucks.

That you don't have one?

No, that you do.

Not really. I don't see why it would suck.

I hope this doesn't turn into a PC vs. Apple argument. But hopes mean little on Massassi.

I personally don't have a problem with Macs. I too use to be one of those PC fanboi pinheads and hated Macs until two years ago when I took a 3d modeling class using Maya on a Macintosh G4. Ever since that class, I learned to like Macs. Although I wouldn't make the switch to a Mac (I still prefer PCs) I'm not fanatically against them like I use too.

i dont mind macs, my only gripe was getting used to the right click, do they have right click yet?

and will this influence CS:S SERVER?

I have a Mac iBook. I use it to type papers. It's nice and light. I'm happy.

I also use it to play Dark Forces and some other games, but that's another story.

I've got the "Mighty Mouse" (what a stupid name), which happens to be pretty ****ty. I think I'll just stick to my trackball.

And with 40+ hours at work, and school, I don't have time to put up the server any time soon....

[QUOTE=Mr. Stafford]i dont mind macs, my only gripe was getting used to the right click, do they have right click yet?

and will this influence CS:S SERVER?[/QUOTE]

I think you hit Option + Click for a right-click. Or you just buy a two-button mouse,

Indeed. People should stop complaining about the one-button mouse. Just get a two-button one from the store.

It's CTRL-Click.

did you buy it to run pro-tools?

i would, but i only use them in college, so i don't think they'll listen to me.

still, we have those old funky looking ones with monitors that look like sugar filled neon candy sweets, they run quick enough for what we need but a higher resolution would be nice (photoshop).

Nope, to run Digital Performer.

Pro Tools runs great under Windows, actually. I was running it for the last week without a problem.

I HATE Macs, especially after having been forced to use them the past 3 months.

You can't maximize (without dragging every damn time you open the program)
It's bloody unstable on a network
It has the world's most generic error messages
The Mouse. 'nuff said. Whoever thought that not having a wheel on their mouse was a smart idea ought to be shot.
Click to rename. Heaven forbid you click on a system file, and accidentally rename it. You're screwed.
Slower
Their screens suck, especially the response times on the LCDs.
Hate the standard keyboard, feels like your fingers always fall way down into the keyboard.
Clicking the X doesn't necessarily close a program. (Sometimes it does, but not always)
Much less software support

Its only saving grace is OSX's Unix integration.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]I HATE Macs, especially after having been forced to use them the past 3 months.

You can't maximize (without dragging every damn time you open the program)
It's bloody unstable on a network
It has the world's most generic error messages
The Mouse. 'nuff said. Whoever thought that not having a wheel on their mouse was a smart idea ought to be shot.
Click to rename. Heaven forbid you click on a system file, and accidentally rename it. You're screwed.
Slower
Their screens suck, especially the response times on the LCDs.
Hate the standard keyboard, feels like your fingers always fall way down into the keyboard.
Clicking the X doesn't necessarily close a program. (Sometimes it does, but not always)
Much less software support

Its only saving grace is OSX's Unix integration.[/QUOTE]

Here we go again...
Apple+Green Button on window
The most easiest systems to install on network.
Wheel mouse is now available and now standard.
Renaming System files, why on earth you would be in the System/Libary folder is beyond me.
The screens dont suck at twice as many pixel per inch in the display, and with 100% color matching for graphics designs with self calibrating screens on the Cinema screens, 23 and 30" HD and with 2 USB and 2 Firewire ports on all of them, with a 14Ms response time on the 20". I fail to see your point.
Keyboard, at least I dont have to do the stupid Ctrl-alt-del with three arms, and all the keys are easy to key too, its what you are used too.
Clicking the X on a window is a windows thing to close the window/program, you click on the X to close a Window not an app, Apple-Q is such a useful combo.
Much less software support, oh im sorry using open source standards and over 12,000 software titles isnt enough for you...

You say same the crap every time Matty, just agree that you dont like Macs, and becuase you have had a bad experiance with one at work, doesnt mean that they are bad because you dont know how to use one correctly.

Me too, but I just hated the OS. I started playing around with OSX and I started to love it.

Anakin-Paul wins.

Ending a program when it locks up is so much easier in a mac too. you dont have to ctrl-alt-delete to get to the process. Right click (or control click) on the icon in the dock and do force quit. TA DA

Oh you don't know the story behind that?
There was a one handed guy at Microsoft, I forget his name, no one liked him. He was a jerk and tried to get everyone to feel sorry for him. When a presentation was being made about keyboar shortcuts everyone decided to make a command he couldn't do with one hand, one of the most important shortcuts. Since the audience (him in it) were all on computers doing this as they went along, he couldn't do it, and everyone laughed at him.

Further to MBeggers Force Quit bit, it crashes the program, and carries on like nothing has happened, but then again when was the last time I restarted any of my macs, or thats right about April...

I prefer PC's over Macs because:

I like the Windows XP interface over Mac's.
I'm able to run multiple instances of Firefox.
Windows machines have a much larger pool of commercial software.
I can swap in any kind of hardware from any different vendors.
Hardware is easier to customize and upgrade.
I'm more used to the setup and configuration of PC's (I'll admit it).
The taskbar is my friend. I can't stand that dock.
My games run on PCs, not Macs.
Should I decide to do so, I can install Linux.



Why, why, oh, why would you keep your computer running that long?

Did anyone notice this?



He's being paid to serve propaganda! Blimey!

My only envy of Macs is the OSX Unix integration. Only.

I say the same crap because it never changes.

1. Apple + Green button does nothing in 99% of programs (And this is only ONE example of how programs do NOT have standard GUIs, which is bloody annoying. In windows, it is VERY easy to find your way around a new program, because it is similar to other programs)
2. Easiest to install? Huh, and here I thought on XP there was ZERO configuration, oh that's right, there IS zero configuration. But despite that, I am arguing the fact that it is UNSTABLE AS HELL. Heaven forbid you are using a Photoshop network license, because it'll not only crash Photoshop, but take the ENTIRE SYSTEM down with it if the connection is interrupted in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM (including the Mac's own stupid hardware failing)
3. Bout damn time, because it wasn't as of like, last year.
4. Hardly the point. The point is, it's incredibly easy to muck it up.
5. Shocking, only the massively overpriced LCDs have decent quality. Now when do you get to talk about the crappy, low response, failures that are the 15" and 17", which MOST Macs have?
6. You can do CTRL+ALT+Delete with one hand, unless you have fingers 1cm long or something.
7. Apple + Q: Great stuff, except when you are trying to close a bunch of programs (such as one in the background)
8. If I want open source, I'll use proper open source operating systems running on superior hardware (a la Linux), with superior support, and of course, a much larger software base to run on.
9. You do NOT need to use CTRL+ALT+DEL on a program to kill it on 2K/XP. Just right click on the program on the taskbar, and click close. A box will come up if the program is not responding, and will ask if you wish to force it closed. Wow, sound similar?

Adding on to number 9: On a Mac, when you Force Quit, it MIGHT work, and it PROBABLY won't. Most of the time, the program will SIT THERE, hoppin around in the dock, acting like it is closing. If you're lucky, you can log out. Otherwise, the system is crapped out, and has to be forcefully powered off.


In closing, these were on multiple Macs, at school and at work, (the ones at school being maintained by Apple techs, and running the latest hardware) and I frankly am glad I do not own one.

If you use one, and it works for you, great. But frankly, I fail to see how productivity can occur with such problems as above (and more).

Wolfy, you can install Linux on a Mac too. There are several distros available for Mac, including Gentoo.

And I second the victory of Anakin-Paul.

For there to be a victory, he has to be right.

*swish*

It's hardly a victory. He's trumpeted some (still-developing and very-recently-introduced) features of Mac that are catching up to what's been standard in PC's for quite some time.

Macs still have their use, but I'll take a PC over a Mac any day of the week.

I'd prefer to have both. I'm actually looking into getting a Mac at some point in the future. The only reason I dont have one is I like to game.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]I say the same crap because it never changes.
9. You do NOT need to use CTRL+ALT+DEL on a program to kill it on 2K/XP. Just right click on the program on the taskbar, and click close. A box will come up if the program is not responding, and will ask if you wish to force it closed. Wow, sound similar?

Adding on to number 9: On a Mac, when you Force Quit, it MIGHT work, and it PROBABLY won't. Most of the time, the program will SIT THERE, hoppin around in the dock, acting like it is closing. If you're lucky, you can log out. Otherwise, the system is crapped out, and has to be forcefully powered off.
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Uhm... and how many times does it work in windows? Its not perfect then either.

I never have the force quit through the Dock fail. So i dont know where your "It MIGHT work" statement came from.

And to the forcefully powered off part: Ive only seen one mac that ive had to do that to, and thats because the machine was fouled up, not the OS. Ive NEVER been forced to restart a mac manually when something goes wrong.

Btw- I use about 4 different macs during the school week, and I have been doing so since last year. We have at least 10 labs filled with different macs. (iMacs, G5s, G4s, eMacs) and I have hardly encountered any of the annoyances that you list.

Apple's hardware: giggedy.
Apple's software: stab my eyes out with a rusty fork

Ive always liked Apple's hardware, but their software is just kakking aweful.

Macs aren't great, and are SO MUCH MORE unstable than PCs. Honestly, my iBook restarts itself quite often now (dunno why), for no reason whatsoever. This is not an isolated incident either--it happens all the time with all the other kids' iBooks at my school. They're also known to stop working, then have files missing when you restart them, sometimes SYSTEM files. No, it's not unheard of. My school has 1000 iBooks passed out to the kids, so don't say it's isolated incidents.

Not only that, but who had the smart idea to put a magnet in the iBooks/Powerbooks? The little metal thing that comes out to click it closed is attracted by a freaking MAGNET. STUPIDEST thing I've ever seen.

PCs are by far the better choice for stability and configurability--but macs do have eyecandy/ease of use/adobe going for them. That and more RAM always makes the system better.

Macs have their merits, and their downfalls. At the end of the day, it's more downfalls than merits.

ill use a mac for final cut pro. that's about it. and thats about enough to make me say.. yeah i like macs... but only because i love making films. so really i only like the mac G5.

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]Macs aren't great, and are SO MUCH MORE unstable than PCs. Honestly, my iBook restarts itself quite often now (dunno why), for no reason whatsoever. This is not an isolated incident either--it happens all the time with all the other kids' iBooks at my school. They're also known to stop working, then have files missing when you restart them, sometimes SYSTEM files. No, it's not unheard of. My school has 1000 iBooks passed out to the kids, so don't say it's isolated incidents..[/QUOTE]

Funny, I have an iBook and it never restarted by itself. Or stopped working.

I kind of want to buy a little mac laptop, for future academic endeavors.

They don't network well with Windows do they?

I think Apples use the handy-dandy TCP/IP protocol now, and can communicate with Windows machines.

That would rock.

In all honesty, I haven't tried sharing files between my PC and my Mac yet.

However, they're both sharing an Internet connection using my router.