Hehe. "Academic endeavors."

Well then try it and let me know.

Didn't try it, but I found this:

They work fine with windows.

Echoman--you probably haven't. Doesn't mean tons of others haven't.

It has the functionality to use windows networking (it came from their integration with Unix). Unfortunately, it's extremely flakey and unreliable, moreso than the Unix versions.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]It has the functionality to use windows (it came from their integration with Unix). Unfortunately, it's extremely flakey and unreliable, moreso than the Unix versions.[/QUOTE]

To use windows? What? I'm talking about networking. Also, what the hell are you babbling on about in your stupid anti-Apple fanboyism?

[QUOTE=Dj Yoshi]To use windows? What? I'm talking about networking. Also, what the hell are you babbling on about in your stupid anti-Apple fanboyism?[/QUOTE]

I, in my sleep deprevation, dropped the word networking. I shall edit my post.

And question: how can you have Anti-apple fanboyism... that doesn't exactly make any sense.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]I, in my sleep deprevation, dropped the word networking. I shall edit my post.

And question: how can you have Anti-apple fanboyism... that doesn't exactly make any sense.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, but you sure as hell pulled it off.

The more I use OSX, the more windows seems sloppily put together.

And my powerbook is dinky.

See, it's kinda the exact opposite for me, as far as appreciating OSX and Windows. I realize Windows isn't as solid as OSX--but OSX is also much more closed, much less portable, much slower inherently because of the nature of the GUI, and also much more unstable in some respects. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I find myself liking windows more and more as I use OSX.

To be honest, I'm considering a PowerBook as my next laptop. Another Windows machine isn't all that appealing. And for you Linux nuts here, the X Window System is even less appealing. That, and I want to learn how to write software on MacOS X

I would agree that I think the execs at Apple are idiots by not at least bringing some things that PCs have into Macs. The lack of wheel mouse on standard mice for years has got to be the pinnacle. It is aggrivating to use a Mac mouse and have to click/drag the scroll bar.


You are partially correct. Windows was slopped together at least for Windows 9X/ME. Windows 95 was rushed out and it had A LOT of bugs. First time installing Windows 95, it froze 75% of the installation. Despite meeting hardware requirements, subsequent attempts to install Win95 failed. It resulted in a wipe & reload. It was only until the laptop had a ram upgrade did Win95 install. Don't get me started on 98 and esp. ME.

The thing that was best for me about using OSX was the fact that my dad thought I'd wasted loads of money on something ****, but he was converted in 5 minutes, which was exactly how long it took to get my machine up and running. On first boot, it found our wireless net connection, and when I told it my apple account name, it did all the stuff that takes aaaaaages when installing, things like setting the time zone, sortign out user names and all that jazz. My dad was just gobsmacked (and so was I, except I was trying to act cool), and withing 10 minutes we were down the pub. Awesome.

My favourite app at the moment (for those on mac OS) is quicksilver launcher. It's the one thing I miss most when I use my windows machine at work - it works like spotlight but just for apps, and can also do loads of other cunning tricks. Check it out if you can.

<JACK> Oh, and I've got broadband ordered at home, just gotta wait for the discs/splitters/modems to arrive - should be about 10 days <JACK>

I think Steve Jobs got......



OWNED!


-KnightRider2000

SMB or Samba has been on the machines for the last 4 years...

Not really.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]If you use one, and it works for you, great. But frankly, I fail to see how productivity can occur with such problems as above (and more)
I am arguing the fact that it is UNSTABLE AS HELL. Heaven forbid you are using a Photoshop network license, because it'll not only crash Photoshop, but take the ENTIRE SYSTEM down with it if the connection is interrupted in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM (including the Mac's own stupid hardware failing).[/QUOTE]

To be honest out of the 200+ customers that I have that use Photoshop none of them have the same problems that you are describing I would suggest you look at the network management, and contact Adobe, as all our customer both Mac/Windows on a Licenses server dont have any problems, and any were sorted out by Adobe.

"A good workman always blames his tools, and never himself"

Indeed. Cool Matty, it's just you. You are causing the problem. User error. Ignorance, close-mindedness and unwillfulness to learn and adapt to a new platform. You can deny it all you want, but you know it's true.

How can it be just me, when it happens for an entire classroom of students?

How can it be just Adobe, when it happens in Office for Mac, and various other programs also?

How can it be just me, WHEN THERE ARE APPLE TECHNICIANS (as in, trained by Apple) who CAN'T FIX THE PROBLEM?

Sorry, but you can't blame me for something that was broke before I even got there. Explain to me how it is user ignorance, please. I would really like to know that.

The Macs at my school are SO BAD, that despite the numerous technicians that Apple has sent out, the school is thinking about selling them off just to avoid the hassle. And believe me when I say, they are pissed about needing to do so.

I would buy a Mac because they're stylish as hell.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Sorry, but you can't blame me for something that was broke before I even got there. Explain to me how it is user ignorance, please. I would really like to know that.[/QUOTE]
It's called you being full of ****.

*clap clap*

Way to make a decent argument.

I'll let this drop, since after this (stupid) remark, it's going to degenerate into a "CM is lying, Macs are invincible!" argument. Not like I can necesarily prove it, I can't bring you to my school and have you sit in my class for a day and watch as a student has to switch Macs 3 times cause he can't log in.

I won't say that you're full of crap or anything, but just that I work on different Macs everyday in our 4 studios and I never have any problems, AT ALL.

I think the problems that you and Yoshi were having more than likely are due to the fact that those are public computers, but you'd never admit to that because you just enjoy bashing Apple, whether it be for the iPod or for their computers. I'm also willing to bet that you've seen more than one WinXP public computer that's been seriously ****ed up, but I guess that just doesn't matter, because Macs obviously suck more.

Oh, we have Windows public PCs also. The point is, they are nowhere near as f'ed up as the Macs are.

I don't like the I-pod cause it costs too much.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]Oh, we have Windows public PCs also. The point is, they are nowhere near as f'ed up as the Macs are.[/QUOTE]

Because students for the most part are familiar with Windows. They don't really know what they're doing with Macs, so they **** them up. Total n00bs on PC's do the exact same thing, it's just that there's less people that are new to WinXP than there are noobs to OSX.

So uh. I use macs on a daily basis. Different macs too. Hardly if ever have a problem with them.

I use photoshop with them fine.
I can log in fine.

If I havent been able to log in, that was a network error, not the macs fault.

The only time Ive had one shut down on me was because someone stepped on the power strip.


Now im not saying that Macs are the best things in the world, im just saying they arent as bad as youd like to think

agreed, the macs i use are public and some are shoddy, and they're all old, but most of them work fine, its not really the best way to rate a mac when you have some sort of beatly fast machine.

There seems to be a misconception here. I'm not thinking this, it's all eyewitness.

If you guys want to cough it up to the fact that they are public computers, fine. Frankly, I don't see how it matters if the PCs are just as widely used (and the in-classroom closed-door macs are just as bad as the fully public ones). Sure, a user may be less experienced with a Mac. But I don't think that'll cause login issues, crashes, and such things that are common problems for every mac in the building.

And these aren't old iMacs, these are G5s, btw.

Alright, you've convinced me.

MACS SUCK BECAUSE YOU SAY SO.

I'm converted the the anti-Apple fanboyism.

Anyone want to buy my new G5?

I'll give you $5 for it.

SOLD!

The joke's on you, though. CAUSE IT SUCKS.

/me runs with Rob's money

$6

I missed out on a dollar.

i cant remember who it was but when iTunes came out for the PC, someone said that it was one of the cleanest, most well written pieces of code they'd ever seen for windows.


anyway, <3 OSX

I seriously think the problems described by CM are because of shoddy setup by techs. My Math 370 class is in a Mac lab and not one person has complained this semester so far. I work at the student helpdesk for school. I see students ALL THE BLOODY TIME using the Macs to do their video work. This semester alone I've maybe gotten six walk-ups saying "I have a problem with this here." The problem was remedied. There was an instance where a misconfig occured with Mac rights and people couldn't use the "SuperDrive." I'm sure a quick fix it was. I've also seen a few G5s under repair.

Where am I going with this? Point is, **** will break. That's a given. But I've been in the helpdesk/IT repair for nearly three years and I can tell you that 85% of the problems with PC or Mac is PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I think you just had bad experiences with Macs, CM.

From experience using a Mac platform and PC platform for graphic design, I'd pick the Mac over the PC any day. But that is mainly because programs are written for Mac in the first place, and then ported to PC (although asside from Quark Xpress and some odd problems I had with Adobe Illustrator CS on PC, I would have to say that there is hardly a difference between the two. (Cept from the whole shortcuts thing) OSX and Windows are as stable as one another and either load programs just as fast.

Its for personal tastes really. Neither suck more than the other. Older macs weren't as great. The whole iMac and eMac series weren't all that great but the new G5, and I've been working on one for a year now, go great.

[QUOTE=Cool Matty]There seems to be a misconception here. I'm not thinking this, it's all eyewitness.
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And if you didnt read my prior posts, i use macs almost daily. Varying types as well. G5s, G4s, iMacs, eMacs....

I hardly ever run in to these problems you describe.

Well, excepting my Linux point, all my points remain valid.

:em321:

I've been using my iBook G4 for about a year and a half now, and it's been a great experience. I remembered using macs back in school, and I hated them. The OS's were crappy, they froze up, and were just not fun to work with. However, with OS X, that has completely changed. In my experiences, it is much more stable than Windows. For my purposes, I use the restart test, which to me is indicative of how many freeze up's etc etc have happened. With the Mac, it's probably been at the most 5 true freeze ups that I could not get out of. I love the command system, and features like Dashboard, Spotlight, and Expose are all icing on the cake. I won't be going back to a PC if I can't help it.