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14 year old student forced to stand on a street corner
2005-11-18, 11:34 AM #1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10075910

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EDMOND, Okla. - Tasha Henderson got tired of her 14-year-old daughter’s poor grades, her chronic lateness to class and her talking back to her teachers, so she decided to teach the girl a lesson.

She made Coretha stand at a busy Oklahoma City intersection Nov. 4 with a cardboard sign that read: “I don’t do my homework and I act up in school, so my parents are preparing me for my future. Will work for food.”

“This may not work. I’m not a professional,” said Henderson, a 34-year-old mother of three. “But I felt I owed it to my child to at least try.”

In fact, Henderson has seen a turnaround in her daughter’s behavior in the past week and a half. But the punishment prompted letters and calls to talk radio from people either praising the woman or blasting her for publicly humiliating her daughter.

“The parents of that girl need more education than she does if they can’t see that the worst scenario in this case is to kill their daughter psychologically,” Suzanne Ball said in a letter to The Oklahoman.

Marvin Lyle, 52, said in an interview: “I don’t see anything wrong with it. I see the other extreme where parents don’t care what the kids do, and at least she wants to help her kid.”

Motorist calls police
Coretha has been getting C’s and D’s as a freshman at Edmond Memorial High in this well-to-do Oklahoma City suburb. Edmond Memorial is considered one of the top high schools in the state in academics.

While Henderson stood next to her daughter at the intersection, a passing motorist called police with a report of psychological abuse, and an Oklahoma City police officer took a report. Mother and daughter were asked to leave after about an hour, and no citation was issued. But the report was forwarded to the state Department of Human Services.

“There wasn’t any criminal act involved that the officer could see that would require any criminal investigation,” Master Sgt. Charles Phillips said. “DHS may follow up.”

DHS spokesman Doug Doe would not comment on whether an investigation was opened, but suggested such a case would probably not be a high priority.

Expert questions punishment
Tasha Henderson said her daughter’s attendance has been perfect and her behavior has been better since the incident.

Coretha, a soft-spoken girl, acknowledged the punishment was humiliating but said it got her attention. “I won’t talk back,” she said quietly, hanging her head.

She already has been forced by her parents to give up basketball and track because of slipping grades, and said she hopes to improve in school so she can play next year.

Donald Wertlieb, a professor of child development at the Eliot-Pearson Department of Child Development at Tufts University, warned that such punishment could do extreme emotional damage. He said rewarding positive behavior is more effective.

“The trick is to catch them being good,” he said. “It sounds like this mother has not had a chance to catch her child being good or is so upset over seeing her be bad, that’s where the focus is.”


Edit:
I applaud the mother. That is gonna stick with the child the rest of her life. Taking them out of sports (which the school should kick them off of if they get below a C) will only make her a C student, but might still have her cutting class. Something that scares the crap out of her like this would remind her that she doesn't want to do this the rest of her life.

That psychologist can eat me. How can you reward a good student who isn't doing any good?
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2005-11-18, 11:42 AM #2
Seems to me like an effective form of punishment. It's teaching the girl the consequences of her actions.

My only concern would be to wonder if the mother made arrangements for her safety. (I didn't read the whole article, so if that's in there forgive me.)
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2005-11-18, 11:45 AM #3
What a stupid punishment. Not bad or wrong, just inane. I would laugh at my parents.
2005-11-18, 11:48 AM #4
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:
Seems to me like an effective form of punishment. It's teaching the girl the consequences of her actions.

My only concern would be to wonder if the mother made arrangements for her safety. (I didn't read the whole article, so if that's in there forgive me.)


The mother was standing with the daughter the entire time.
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-11-18, 11:55 AM #5
Originally posted by THRAWN:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10075910



Edit:
I applaud the mother. That is gonna stick with the child the rest of her life. Taking them out of sports (which the school should kick them off of if they get below a C) will only make her a C student, but might still have her cutting class. Something that scares the crap out of her like this would remind her that she doesn't want to do this the rest of her life.

That psychologist can eat me. How can you reward a good student who isn't doing any good?
Yes, because humiliating impressionable children into submission can't possibly have any ill effects. I hope someone straightens that ***** out.
2005-11-18, 11:59 AM #6
Oh, please. Facts about what the kid does are being stated. That a mother even did anything is comendable.
Pissed Off?
2005-11-18, 11:59 AM #7
You wouldn't call it a good punishment if the child was male. Geez.

Or seriously, not my fault if someone gets bad grades. Pssht.
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2005-11-18, 12:00 PM #8
Primate, you spoke too soon.

The mother most likely has tried other forms of punishment. Showing the child what she might turn into is one of the best ways. Another way would be to take her to a homeless shelter and make her work there and talk to the homeless people about how she is doing poorly in school. Both have similar effects most likely.
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-11-18, 12:15 PM #9
I thought this thread was gonna be about teenage hos, and their pimps. :(
2005-11-18, 12:15 PM #10
back in the old days they didn't bother educating girls, nevermind girls who don't want to learn anyway.

edit: also, heaven forbid a parent try and straighten their kid out :rolleyes:
2005-11-18, 12:19 PM #11
Maybe I was harsh, but I still find this innapropriate. Making C's and D's and "acting up" as a freshman in highschool isn't going to land you in the gutter, and there are surely better forms of punishment available than public humiliation.
2005-11-18, 12:19 PM #12
Originally posted by Rob:
I thought this thread was gonna be about teenage hos, and their pimps. :(


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2005-11-18, 12:22 PM #13
Originally posted by Primate:
Maybe I was harsh, but I still find this innapropriate. Making C's and D's and "acting up" as a freshman in highschool isn't going to land you in the gutter, and there are surely better forms of punishment available than public humiliation.


Yes, it can.

1.) Most colleges begin looking at your grades as a Freshman to determine if you are material for their school.

2.) The habits you start now continue tomorrow. If she acts up now, she will continue it all through high school. If even making it to graduation. Straighten her out RIGHT NOW when it first starts, get to the root of the problem, and it will NOT grow into a bigger problem 2 years or 3 years from now when she is at the end of the road.
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2005-11-18, 12:28 PM #14
I dunno...

I was a total ******* loser druggie till about 11th grade, I turned it around.
2005-11-18, 12:28 PM #15
That women should be fined or something. That's awful, just awful.
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2005-11-18, 1:17 PM #16
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Yes, because humiliating impressionable children into submission can't possibly have any ill effects. I hope someone straightens that ***** out.
That's kind of the idea. And explain how this is going to have ill effects.

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I was a total ******* loser druggie till about 11th grade, I turned it around.
No you didn't. ... :p
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2005-11-18, 1:20 PM #17
Permanent damage? I think we're forgetting how resilient high school freshmen are. Many (if not most) of them put up with humiliation on a daily basis.
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2005-11-18, 1:40 PM #18
Originally posted by Sarn_Cadrill:

No you didn't. ... :p


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2005-11-18, 1:56 PM #19
[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Permanent damage? I think we're forgetting how resilient high school freshmen are. Many (if not most) of them put up with humiliation on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]

But from parents? When my mom called me names when I was younger it hurt more than a classmate. I still find it acceptable punishment though that the mom made her kid do that.

Rob, what caused you to turn around though? DId you just wake up one day and go "I am going to change"? Or did something happen?
I can't think of anything to put here right now.
2005-11-18, 2:01 PM #20
What a bunch of pathetic whiners these people are who filed reports. God I hate people like that. If you grow a kid up and completely coddle them the whole time THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE REAL WORLD. Hard love is where it's at.
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2005-11-18, 2:01 PM #21
Yes, well, calling your kids names is a sign of immaturity on the parent's part.
Pissed Off?
2005-11-18, 2:05 PM #22
Originally posted by THRAWN:
But from parents? When my mom called me names when I was younger it hurt more than a classmate. I still find it acceptable punishment though that the mom made her kid do that.

Rob, what caused you to turn around though? DId you just wake up one day and go "I am going to change"? Or did something happen?


This is basically the same thing only instead of just her and her mom knowing about it, the entire world knows about it. And I hardly call C's failing school. Isn't a C about an average?

I was a slacker kid last year and part of this year, and one day I just decided "Maybe i'll try harder in school"
2005-11-18, 2:07 PM #23
My mom dropped me out of an airplane to punish me.
2005-11-18, 2:07 PM #24
Originally posted by THRAWN:
But from parents? When my mom called me names when I was younger it hurt more than a classmate. I still find it acceptable punishment though that the mom made her kid do that.

Rob, what caused you to turn around though? DId you just wake up one day and go "I am going to change"? Or did something happen?



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2005-11-18, 2:15 PM #25
[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Permanent damage? I think we're forgetting how resilient high school freshmen are. Many (if not most) of them put up with humiliation on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]

As a 15 year old, I would like to say, I can't handle any more humiliation. I will explode.
2005-11-18, 2:18 PM #26
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2005-11-18, 2:38 PM #27
Originally posted by Stinkywrix:
Isn't a C about an average?


A C-grade is a base-minimum to pass a class and get credit for it. If you manage a B-average or better, people who consider GPA will see it as you did better than just the base minimum to get by.
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2005-11-18, 2:51 PM #28
Personally, I think a corrective shock would have been far more effective.
2005-11-18, 3:07 PM #29
Originally posted by THRAWN:
1.) Most colleges begin looking at your grades as a Freshman to determine if you are material for their school.


As someone whose father served many years as the chairman of the admissions board of UC Santa Cruz...

No, no they don't. :p

Also: that's an awesome punishment. And it's really not THAT humiliating. Humiliating would be pulling down her pants and hanging her by her shoelaces from a telephone pole, or something. Holding a sign for half an hour doesn't scar people for life. :p
2005-11-18, 3:17 PM #30
Originally posted by Stinkywrix:
This is basically the same thing only instead of just her and her mom knowing about it, the entire world knows about it. And I hardly call C's failing school. Isn't a C about an average?



Not, it's no the same. The purpose of this is to show the kid that skipping classes and acting up in class in not ok.
Pissed Off?
2005-11-18, 3:42 PM #31
Welcome to Massassi, where folk psychology reigns supreme.
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2005-11-18, 5:56 PM #32
Originally posted by oSiRiS:
What a bunch of pathetic whiners these people are who filed reports. God I hate people like that. If you grow a kid up and completely coddle them the whole time THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE REAL WORLD. Hard love is where it's at.


I can't deal with the real world. :[


“The parents of that girl need more education than she does if they can’t see that the worst scenario in this case is to kill their daughter psychologically,” Suzanne Ball said in a letter to The Oklahoman.

KILL her PSYCHOLOGICALLY!
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2005-11-18, 11:40 PM #33
Indeed, the girl learned an important lesson that day: her mother is a whacko.

I doubt it's going to scar her or "kill her psychologically," but it still seems like a stupid idea to me.
2005-11-19, 12:15 AM #34
[QUOTE=Michael MacFarlane]Permanent damage? I think we're forgetting how resilient high school freshmen are. Many (if not most) of them put up with humiliation on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]
<3 for you. That made me laugh. :D
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2005-11-19, 5:05 AM #35
Well, if ya think about it... if the girl does keep getting bad grades, she would probably wind up standing at a corner of a busy street. Except, it wouldn't be as a bum though. More like... a night job...
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2005-11-19, 8:41 AM #36
Heh, C's and D's aren't that bad... I get them all the time.. I still pass with flying colors..

If the girl was getting F's, then theres a problem :p
2005-11-19, 9:16 AM #37
Originally posted by 'Thrawn[numbarz:
']As someone whose father served many years as the chairman of the admissions board of UC Santa Cruz...

No, no they don't. :p

Also: that's an awesome punishment. And it's really not THAT humiliating. Humiliating would be pulling down her pants and hanging her by her shoelaces from a telephone pole, or something. Holding a sign for half an hour doesn't scar people for life. :p


UC Santa Cruz isn't exaclty that hard to get into. UC Irvine, where I went, isn't either, I'm just saying. Other schools may be more stringent then they are.
2005-11-19, 11:12 AM #38
Maybe. But in general sophomore and junior grades are what they look at way more than freshman and junior year grades.
2005-11-19, 11:31 AM #39
[QUOTE=Xzero Phoenix]Heh, C's and D's aren't that bad... I get them all the time.. I still pass with flying colors..[/QUOTE]

In college classes, where you grade can be determined by three tests (all of which are comprehensive) and (maybe) a paper, C's and D's means you fail your first semester.
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2005-11-19, 3:15 PM #40
Well at least the mother took some responsibility rather than blaming, say, the school for her daughter's grades. Bravo.

THRAWN(nocaps)'s idea of a punishment might have worked better and attracted less attention, though. Still, the mother wasn't far off.

Then again, talking to people who have FAILED isn't exactly the best way to learn how to SUCEED.

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